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Posted on 03/11/2009 9:02:57 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
I'll bet that less than 5% of the global warming alarmists have ever heard of the "Little Ice Age".
It’s silly because you are making the argument that “Because something caused “A” to happen in the past, every time “A” happens is for the same reason.”
The earth has been much warmer than it is now, and it has been much colder. The atmosphere didn’t use to be 21% oxygen. Enormous volcanoes have erupted, asteroids have hit the earth, various sun cycles, etc., and they have all had enormous impacts on the earth’s climate. But that doesn’t mean *other* things *can’t* impact it. It’s a really complex system with about a million feedback mechanisms.
Besides, you wouldn’t say “Earlier today it was light in my room because the sun was out. Therefore, whenever it is light in my room, that means the sun causes it.” It’s just bad logic.
Global warming in the 900’s was tremendous as a result of men rowing around the ocean in longships.
Climate.
Complex it is.
What did Michael Crichton call it?.. a “non-linear coupled chaotic system not subject to modeling”...?
Thank you for the analysis.
However, I believe the correct proportion of free CO2 in the atmosphere is 0.36%, not 3.6%.
There's an eff and floe to the earth - in - out - warmer - cooler.
The number I cited was the percentage of CO2's contribution to the earth atmosphere's total greenhouse effect, not the percentage of the gas in the atmosphere.
In that formula, 98% of the atmosphere, which is nitrogen and oxygen, doesn't count because they have no greenhouse effect.
Welcome to FR.
Errr. The effect of a 50% methane atmosphere would be a very large fireball and then lots of charred stuff with zero methane in the atmosphere.
CO2 is a poor transmitter of radiation and the so called Greenhouse effect is a misnomer. The earth is an open system, not a closed system like a greenhouse. You can't make that analogy if you want to be scientifically accurate (albeit that does not stop Gore, Hansen and the other panic hustlers from doing so.)
And I'd bet that just as few are willing to admit to the existence of the Medieval Warm Period.
After all, Mann and his "research", which created the now-discredited hockey stick, made them both go away.
But how are you hoping to get your reasonable approach accepted in the camp of the Global Warmers? I believe in the 80-20 rule when it comes to leftward leaning boffins. That is, 80% of them are interested in the polemics and 20% (if that) are interested in the science, or even providing some sort of reasoned hypothesis.
And that politically-minded 80% are getting damn near 100% of the funding, media attention, and probably the hors d'ouevres at faculty parties.
Anthropogenic Global Warming ... or Cooling .... is the most damnable hoax since the South Sea Bubble, or Tulip Mania. It is insane that developed countries are buying into it.
In regard to Carbon Dioxide "emissions," it is merely the only by-product of combustion that has not yet been legislated to some mythical "acceptable level." What next? Water vapor?
This has become a religious war. How can the voice of reason prevail?
Viking disinformation -
that’s what I remember from 3rd grade geography.
While I agree with your sentiment (and often use the same type of argument), I find that approach to be pretty useless.
You use that approach when the debate opponent actually cares about the truth, and is not merely using Global Warming as a means to control other people. After all, that is the ultimate purpose of the environmental movement--to advance socialism and control over other people.
Since their goal is not to reduce human impact on the environment, anything you cite regarding that will just be ignored.
“So explain this climate change mechanism and why isn’t it that the fluctuations in climate we see today aren’t just part of these natural cycles?”
Stop being so logical. Democrats FEEL its getting warm....they also FEEL they need more of our cash in their fellow con artists pockets. The real question is whether or not you and I will let them get away with it.
Viking disinformation? Perhaps, but they had about 400 farms, probably farming thousands of acres of land. The fact that the Catholic church created a bishop position there to oversee the wealth tells me that it was not all disinformation. Further, the inability of ships to continue to send supplies because of the ice flows tells me that there certainly was a climate change taking place without any impact from man.
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