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To: Liz
Well, the truth is it's not our party, and no amount of persuading, moaning, threatening, working or losing is going to change that. "Moderates" are the vast majority of the GOP-- always have been, and always will be.

Reagan was a charismatic aberration who built his own groundswell with the people through his radio talks, so even the GOP couldn't ignore him. He was so successful that even old-school GOP moderates and beltway boys have found it prudent to hide their true beliefs by wearing the "conservative" label. And there's very good a reason Bush I was pushed to be the VP under Reagan, and Dole, Bush II, and McCain were our last 3 POTUS candidates: THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PARTY IS "MODERATE".

Conseratives should stop beating that deceased equine and have nothing to do with the GOP. WE are the real RINOs.

16 posted on 03/16/2009 8:05:48 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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To: mikeus_maximus
WE are the real RINOs.

I think you may have expressed one of the most simple-yet-profound ideas I have read here in a very long time.

We use the term RINO, when what we usually mean is "CONSERVATIVE in name only". "Republican" has only loose correlation to "conservative" much of the time.

23 posted on 03/16/2009 8:10:27 AM PDT by TChris (So many useful idiots...)
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To: mikeus_maximus
You could not be more wrong.

In fact, you are making stuff up without any proof or even any evidence.

There has never been a poll taken that showed that Gun Control, abortion rights, higher taxes or a weak foreign policy had a majority of Republican support.

All of our Presidential nominees that you mentioned CAMPAIGNED as “conservatives” (Heck, even Obama campaigned as a “conservative”)

Most people are not political junkies, and once you get passed the “litmus test” issues, voters decide if they like the candidate or not.

We need to do a better job of recruiting conservative candidates, and those candidates will then WIN most of the primaries, if those candidates do a better job of communicating with the voters.

The idea that we need a “3rd party” is insane, we will give the country over to the left, if we do that.

The idea that we can win elections by REDUCING our ranks is also insane.

28 posted on 03/16/2009 8:16:19 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: mikeus_maximus

True, but when a true, articlulate conservative comes along, he/she is popular. Look at Palin, whom is very, very ordinary American.

Liberal Republicans run as conservatives( Mitt ), because that is how you win the GOP. Then, they stab them in the face, because that’s what liberals do.


38 posted on 03/16/2009 8:34:07 AM PDT by Leisler
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