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Predation Did Not Come from Evolution
ICR ^ | March 28, 2009 | Daniel Criswell, Ph.D.

Posted on 03/28/2009 7:56:22 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Predation Did Not Come from Evolution

by Daniel Criswell, Ph.D.*

Although the origin of predation is poorly understood, it is incorrect to attribute to young-earth creation the assertion that predatory animals quickly and recently evolved the physical features necessary for predation. It is a common fallacy that carnivores evolved from a change in form and function. No physical evolution was required to change herbivores to predators--it was merely a change in behavior.

The view that an alteration of genomes and phenotypes, such as sharp teeth and claws, would have been required to supply the physical features for predation from herbivorous features common in plant-eating animals is not correct. The shape of the teeth, the ability to run fast for short distances, and all the other physical attributes given to predators can be used for acquiring plant food sources as well. A few examples of mammal diets will verify this quite well...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creation; evolution; fruitbat; fsm; grizzly; intelligentdesign; omnivore; predation; vegetarian
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To: org.whodat

You can try and make fun of faith and God and religion all you want. You may have better luck on another website than this. Im suprised that this hatred of anything religious is even tolerated here. You hate us for our beliefs. There are irreputable arguments against Darwin, yet all some can do is to try and mock and tear down other’s faith. Its really just over the top.


161 posted on 03/28/2009 9:23:19 PM PDT by dddanonymous
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To: JNL

You really are a religious radical, JNL. So much so, that you have already admitted that you would rather be a bloodthirsty Communist (which, btw, are evolutionists) than a Creationist.


162 posted on 03/28/2009 9:25:30 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Only if they put a salad bar in The Capitol building.


163 posted on 03/28/2009 9:27:12 PM PDT by bigheadfred (Negromancer !!! RUN for your lives !!!)
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To: dddanonymous

This is not a religious site. Many people who have faith also believe in evolution.

We do not hate you for your belief. I, for one, respect your absolutely ridiculous theories.

However we will make fun of you.


164 posted on 03/28/2009 9:27:46 PM PDT by JNL
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To: JNL
Really.....well when you are potting women in burkas, I’ll remember that.

Odd argument, seeing as how "enlightened" Europe, held as a model of scientific acceptance, is in far more danger of women being potted in burkas than here. Matter of fact, European women would have been potted thusly long ago, if it weren't for us ignorant Christians.

165 posted on 03/28/2009 9:28:07 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: bigheadfred

Ah yes, that wonderful white building where all the rats wear expensive suits.


166 posted on 03/28/2009 9:28:35 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: JNL

Buh bye, troll.


167 posted on 03/28/2009 9:29:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: JNL

The Bible and evolution are not compatible. Unless you are talking of another faith. Perhaps Paganism or the Koran. Maybe Satanism. I dont have “theories” I have the Truth of the Good Word, the Bible. Those who reject the Truth and insert their own brand of belief, such as Darwinism, do not subscribe to any faith I know. I can make fun of you too, but I choose not to.


168 posted on 03/28/2009 9:31:58 PM PDT by dddanonymous
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To: GodGunsGuts

As they absolve themselves. They should adopt some evolutionary practices before the involve this country in a revolution. That is the only solution to their continuing pollution.


169 posted on 03/28/2009 9:34:44 PM PDT by bigheadfred (Negromancer !!! RUN for your lives !!!)
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To: RegulatorCountry; KevinDavis
And just where is the center of the universe, KevinDavis? Educate "an moron."

Your question is nonsensical, kind of like asking where the four corners of the earth are. There is no center of the Universe. Space-time is curved.

170 posted on 03/28/2009 9:37:10 PM PDT by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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To: LeGrande; RegulatorCountry; KevinDavis

==There is no center of the Universe.

Actually, even the Big Bangers admit that the Universe appears to have a center, and that our solar system appears to be close to it. They also admit that they threw this out of their cosmology for ideological, not scientific, reasons. According to them, it would make earth appear to be “too special.”


171 posted on 03/28/2009 9:41:07 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: dddanonymous
There are irreputable arguments against Darwin, yet all some can do is to try and mock and tear down other’s faith.

Freudian slip, or blind squirrel?

172 posted on 03/28/2009 9:44:04 PM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: Caesar Soze

F. irrefutable. Neither a slip nor your attempt to tear someone down. A typing error.


173 posted on 03/28/2009 9:48:09 PM PDT by dddanonymous
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To: GodGunsGuts

Earth apparently appears just “too special” with alarming frequency of late. All manner of workarounds are being theorized to surmount it. Multiverse, anyone?


174 posted on 03/28/2009 9:51:02 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: GodGunsGuts; RegulatorCountry; KevinDavis
Actually, even the Big Bangers admit that the Universe appears to have a center, and that our solar system appears to be close to it. They also admit that they threw this out of their cosmology for ideological, not scientific, reasons. According to them, it would make earth appear to be “too special.”

The closest that we have to a center is an event horizon that we can't see beyond and that event horizon encompasses us in every direction. It is the same as every point on the surface of the earth could be considered the center. In other words it is a meaningless concept.

175 posted on 03/28/2009 9:53:07 PM PDT by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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To: LeGrande
The closest that we have to a center is an event horizon that we can't see beyond and that event horizon encompasses us in every direction. It is the same as every point on the surface of the earth could be considered the center.

Careful, you're sounding rather alarmingly geocentric there, LeGrande.

176 posted on 03/28/2009 9:56:37 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: GodGunsGuts
Actually, even the Big Bangers admit that the Universe appears to have a center, and that our solar system appears to be close to it.

There's a difference between admitting that something "appears to be," and admitting that something "is." We appear to be the center of the universe, because we can look in any direction and see the universe. But that seems to be true of every other point in the universe, as well. Imagine that our universe is two dimensional, and that it's the surface of a sphere. Imagine you are a 2-D observer on the surface of the sphere. No matter which direction you look, you're going to see a horizon some distance away. If you measure the distance to the horizon, it's going to be the same in every direction. It appears you are at the center of the universe. But another observer standing on the other end of the sphere performs the same experiment, gets the same result, and she can determines that she's at the center of the universe. In fact, there is no center on the surface of a sphere. Our 2-D observers must remain ignorant of this fact until they discover that the surface they live on is curved. Our universe is like the 3-D surface of a 4-D hypersphere; it appears we're in the middle, but the curvature of spacetime makes the concept of a center meaningless.

Another way of looking at it: It's kind of like Asteroid and other old video games--when you go off one end of the screen, you appear at the opposite side of the screen. So the center of the screen isn't special at all; any point on the screen could be the center.

177 posted on 03/28/2009 9:58:51 PM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: buccaneer81
The 6000 year people make all Christians look like idiots.

Yeah, well, there is that.

But I do not think all Christians, just the ones you allude to.

178 posted on 03/28/2009 9:59:00 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I’m starting to come around to the notion that there must be a creationist gene. I don’t understand its evolutionary purpose, but it sure short circuits the brain.


179 posted on 03/28/2009 10:00:38 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: Caesar Soze
In fact, there is no center on the surface of a sphere.

Geocentrism involves the sphere itself, Caesar Soze.

Biblically speaking, Ariel or Jerusalem is the center of the world, but the usage of this word is distinct from the usage of earth, as was pointed out in some detail upthread.

180 posted on 03/28/2009 10:06:14 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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