Posted on 03/28/2009 7:56:22 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Predation Did Not Come from Evolution
by Daniel Criswell, Ph.D.*
Although the origin of predation is poorly understood, it is incorrect to attribute to young-earth creation the assertion that predatory animals quickly and recently evolved the physical features necessary for predation. It is a common fallacy that carnivores evolved from a change in form and function. No physical evolution was required to change herbivores to predators--it was merely a change in behavior.
The view that an alteration of genomes and phenotypes, such as sharp teeth and claws, would have been required to supply the physical features for predation from herbivorous features common in plant-eating animals is not correct. The shape of the teeth, the ability to run fast for short distances, and all the other physical attributes given to predators can be used for acquiring plant food sources as well. A few examples of mammal diets will verify this quite well...
(Excerpt) Read more at icr.org ...
Hate, you and the other poster are boarder line jihadists and you talk about hate, I believe in freedom of thought and the constitution. You believe it is your way are the highway, next you will be into be-headings.
Good night, man... you’re a scientist. That means you’ve had some semblance of an education. That being the case, you have to know you’re not dealing with scientists on here.
A better word could be chosen. You’re familiar with the traditional usage of the word “myth” and a teacher of all people should know to evaluate his audience. And if you want to be taken seriously you might look at the company you keep here. If you don’t speak differently than the other evolutionists on here you’ll be lumped together with them.
And as for “us people” threatening the survival of Christianity... another assinine statement. If that is the case then it was threatened by the writers of the scripture because that is where we get our information.
tut-tut
The relationship between kinetic energy, mass, and velocity is Kinetic energy = 1/2 x mass x velocity x velocity
“LOL”
Internet geek.
Just a little name-calling to start off the day.
Again, you evolutionists pick the obvious alegory out of the bible to “prove” indefensible points while calling everything in the scripture myth and alegory.
Why do you people believe so religiously and fight so mightily to destroy Christian faith and faith in God as it has existed for thousands of years? Do you hope to win the “lost” through your beliefs?
I’m just curious. I mean, at least we have a cause.
I am certainly not an evolutionhead. As a scientist, I find the evidence for evolution pretty convincing, and that for an ancient earth overwhelming. However, I have posted repeatedly against the teaching of evolution in secondary (let alone middle) school, because it is anything but fundamental science, and no one at that level really needs it; what they need is math, physics, and chemistry. (The Left and other materialists want it taught because it can be used to support their low opinion of mankind.) I have been ridiculed by real evo-lovers for taking that stand. I also once posted that the co-discoverer of the MRI, a genius who has done more for mankind than all the evolutionary scientists put together, was a young-earth creationist! That got me trashed by the evo-fanatics. I also posted in defense of the Pennsylvania community which wanted ID taught in its schools. I've also posted in support of people who use logic and science to question evolution. Many evolutionists are more interested in pumping dogma into the heads of the young than doing real science. I suspect they are pedagogues rather than working scientists. Real science is not dogma, and real religion can't be mere dogma either. The core of Christianity is love of God and love of man. You can't get people to show those qualities by memorizing some verses, or burning incense and chanting something. Love has to be modeled by believers, just as Christ did for us.
Excellent post
“You believe it is your way are the highway, next you will be into be-headings.”
Still yet another assinine statement by an evolutionist.
Keep ‘em comin’!
One thing about those who actively promote the theory of evolution is this...
Many of them refuse to admit that evolution can only occur with HETEROSEXUAL relationships.
This is a point of fact that should be exploited.
There was no childish name-calling in my statement. That was very sophisticated name-calling!
And if you’ll do a little research (read) I didn’t call anyone a name. I pointed out that your statement was assinine. Here we go again with the “whipped puppy syndrome” of the evolutionists. You say we’re going to behead folks... we call you assinine... you’ve been done some disservice.
And, oh yeah; you’re a stupid, little, booger-head... now that’s childish name calling.
Would you stop being smarter than me!!!
It makes me feel impotent. Or was that important?
Either way... It’s very refreshing to have truth interjected into these conversations. I start feeling very queasy after hanging with the drool-monkeys for a while.
Was that mean-spirited? I’ve got to learn that compassionate conservative thing.
I do take most of the Old Testament literally. But, in your desire to tar me with your broad-brush Muslim hysterics regarding Jewish and Christian Old Testament vengeance, you overlook just why there is a Christian New Testament, and why that vengeance is no longer mine to take.
Rationalize your way around Biblical Creation all you want; you'll be completely undermining more than just a few key Biblical precepts that are present in both the Old and the New Testament. There is a future earthly perfection, another Edenic existence, brought upon the entire world, all of Creation, and rather suddenly. What does science have to say about this? We, ourselves, will be physically brought back from the dead, some having been dead for millennia. What does science have to say about this, as well? Where do you draw the line upon subjecting God to science, and why?
Stop and think about what you're advocating. Yes, we appear foolish in the eyes of modern scientific perception, but we do not appear foolish in the eyes of God, for defending His Word, all of it. The Genesis, the Alpha, is inextricably linked with the Omega, the end, His return. God Himself is the Alpha and the Omega, the great I AM. God is vengeance. God is love. God offers us the gift of Salvation through Grace, having offered His own Son to die as the final sacrifice for our sin. Yet He is risen. It's up to us to accept this gift through what? Faith.
So, what does science have to say about the rest of Christian beliefs, since you're so preoccupied and eager to compromise? There are broad repercussions from doing so, that you either do not care about, which makes you not Christian, or that you just plain have not thought through.
I’d love to tag a couple of quotes and say, “Good point!”
The problem is, that was all great. Thank you for saying it clearly.
GG
Thanks.
Obvious allegory? Isn't all of the Bible obviously an allegory?
Why do you people believe so religiously and fight so mightily to destroy Christian faith and faith in God as it has existed for thousands of years? Do you hope to win the “lost” through your beliefs?
I don't intentionally try to destroy 'faith', but you unintentionally brought up an interesting point. Knowledge eliminates faith, if you have knowledge you don't have faith.
To give your question a serious answer. There is no effort to destroy Christian faith. What you are seeing is push back, some of us our students of history and we like seeing how ancient mythology tries to measure up to reality. It is fun trying to use the arguments of Galileo and Einstein to refute old and dead ideas.
I personally have to do a little research occasionally in these arguments, and sometimes I pick up bits of knowledge and truth that tie things together. I love when that happens : )
There are numerous references to this conceit in the Bible. You might find those points interesting as well.
I can sling insults with the best of them, I would rather discuss ideas. What point of mine are you trying to refute? Do you think that there is a point on the surface of the Earth that is the center? The same goes for the Universe, do you think that there is a point that can be called the center? Do you believe that space-time is not curved? Inquiring minds want to know : )
“Obvious allegory? Isn’t all of the Bible obviously an allegory?”
“I don’t intentionally try to destroy ‘faith’, but you unintentionally brought up an interesting point. Knowledge eliminates faith, if you have knowledge you don’t have faith.”
And atheism breeds narcissistic behavior and folks who believe they are their own god...
Oddly enough that is a self fulfilling prophecy (as long as they are vertical).
P.S. If those were not your “serious” answers you really need to get to know the crowd you’re trying to persuade.
“Obvious allegory? Isn’t all of the Bible obviously an allegory?”
No, let me take this one on in particular. You must be joking when you say this. Otherwise I have to conclude that all of evolution is allegory as well... seeing as most all of what you call science is supported by supposition based on refutable evidence. Evolution is nothing but a sinner’s crutch to do as they please, since there is no moral absolute if God is simply a myth.
If you believe in it for other reasons you are the exception and not the rule (or you’re just embracing your public education).
As far as the center of the earth, there is ample indication of what and where that is, in both science and Christianity. They're both even in agreement ... it's hot.
As far as the center of the world, it's Ariel, known to us as Jerusalem, according to the Bible.
As far as the center of the universe, I'm quite comfortable in the knowledge that it's right here. You guys keep working on the material nuts and bolts; you're getting warmer.
Oddly enough that is a self fulfilling prophecy (as long as they are vertical).
Since when is not believing in God, the same as believing that they are God? I guess that explains why you can believe that nothing died before 4000 b.c.
P.S. If those were not your “serious” answers you really need to get to know the crowd you’re trying to persuade.
I know this crowd. They are beyond reason or persuasion. Those are my true motives, if there is someone on the edge who might ask a question or two (either way) then I am happy. I occasionally get PM's thanking me for pointing out things that hadn't occurred to them.
My goal is the pursuit of truth and I am not afraid to go where it leads.
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