Posted on 03/28/2009 7:56:22 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Predation Did Not Come from Evolution
by Daniel Criswell, Ph.D.*
Although the origin of predation is poorly understood, it is incorrect to attribute to young-earth creation the assertion that predatory animals quickly and recently evolved the physical features necessary for predation. It is a common fallacy that carnivores evolved from a change in form and function. No physical evolution was required to change herbivores to predators--it was merely a change in behavior.
The view that an alteration of genomes and phenotypes, such as sharp teeth and claws, would have been required to supply the physical features for predation from herbivorous features common in plant-eating animals is not correct. The shape of the teeth, the ability to run fast for short distances, and all the other physical attributes given to predators can be used for acquiring plant food sources as well. A few examples of mammal diets will verify this quite well...
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“I occasionally get PM’s thanking me for pointing out things that hadn’t occurred to them.”
Thus the narcissism. I just wonder what drives those who deny God’s word. If it’s nothing but ego and personal satisfaction I will pray you’ll become a rock star.
I’m not meaning to be harsh... but you seem to know the Word and deny it. That, to me is sad. I just have to hope you’re brand of “witnessing” doesn’t win any converts.
You have to hope you can save people from what? Themselves? a life wasted on seeking God and following a just moral code?
You can be moral and not believe in the bible/God/Old testament/New Testament, whatever. But that does nothing for you after this life. Believe what you will, but just know that at least one (and probably scores of others) told you there are consequences.
You believe the very idea of a creator to be unscientific, so, yes, you are afraid to go where it leads.
I've "slung" no insult. Why so defensive? What is a conceit, LeGrande?
Implying that I am conceited is an insult. If you are going to insult me, insult me like a man. I hate the mealy mouthed way you are attempting it.
As far as the center of the world, it's Ariel, known to us as Jerusalem, according to the Bible.
You think that because the biblical writers thought the earth was flat and a flat surface can have a center.
As far as the center of the universe, I'm quite comfortable in the knowledge that it's right here. You guys keep working on the material nuts and bolts; you're getting warmer.
It's all relative.
What’s your tag line supposed to say? It’s all jumbled.
The center of the Universe is unknowable, since the extent of the Universe is unknowable, except of course to know it all atheists, then it is where ever they say it is.
Conceit \Con*ceit"\, noun [Through French, fr. L. conceptus a conceiving, conception, fr. concipere to conceive: cf. OF. p. p. nom. conciez conceived. See {Conceive}, and cf. {Concept}, {Deceit}.]
1. That which is conceived, imagined, or formed in the mind; idea; thought; image; conception.
In laughing, there ever procedeth a conceit of somewhat ridiculous. --Bacon.
A man wise in his own conceit. --Proverbs
2. Faculty of conceiving ideas; mental faculty; apprehension; as, a man of quick conceit. [Obs.]
How often, alas! did her eyes say unto me that they loved! and yet I, not looking for such a matter, had not my conceit open to understand them. --Sir P. Sidney.
3. Quickness of apprehension; active imagination; lively fancy.
His wit's as thick as Tewksbury mustard; there's more conceit in him than is in a mallet. --Shakespeare
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I await your apology, LeGrande. Man up.
Also, Biblically speaking, the "world" is the Creation, as in the world being destroyed by flood in Noah's time. The earth remained. Do you grasp the distinction?
Your priori is wrong. Evolution is irrelevant to your argument, based on your assumption that God is a myth.
I am not an atheist in order to justify 'sinning' I try to live an honorable life. I am an atheist because of my pursuit of truth.
sex is not a prerequisite for reproduction.
There is such evidence. One example are ring species - evidence of speciation in process. I would also take issue with the description of "one species evolving into a completely different species" which sounds like you believe the theory of evolution proclaims, "poof! you're a different species!" The TOE doesn't say that and never has said that. It says there are changes over many generations. With ring species, there is a common ancestor that is slowly giving rise two separate species.
I love myself, but hopefully not to the point of narcissism though and I wouldn't wish becoming a rock star on my worst enemy. Michael Jackson is an abomination.
I’m not meaning to be harsh... but you seem to know the Word and deny it. That, to me is sad. I just have to hope you’re brand of “witnessing” doesn’t win any converts.
I do know the Word. Lucky for you then that I am not looking for converts : )
You have to hope you can save people from what? Themselves? a life wasted on seeking God and following a just moral code?
I am not trying to save people from anything, except ignorance and superstition. I have few answers and they aren't the answers that others need.
You can be moral and not believe in the bible/God/Old testament/New Testament, whatever. But that does nothing for you after this life. Believe what you will, but just know that at least one (and probably scores of others) told you there are consequences.
If you are right and your God condemns me to an eternity of hellfire, I will march proudly into that lake knowing in my heart that I followed a path of truth.
1 a (1): a result of mental activity : thought (2): individual opinion b: favorable opinion ; especially : excessive appreciation of one's own worth or virtue
I noticed your quote didn't include the bolded common meaning of conceit, unlike my quote above.
Also, Biblically speaking, the "world" is the Creation, as in the world being destroyed by flood in Noah's time. The earth remained. Do you grasp the distinction?
The creation seemed to be the separation of water from the firmament and the flood seemed to be letting the waters in heaven back on the firmament. All that water just beyond the stars you know. So I am not exactly sure of your point.
Mythology is sometimes frustratingly vague that way, but I suppose ignorance and superstition have to be to survive.
The word was not used in the manner you perceived, LeGrande. However, you continue to choose to find personal insult, when clearly none was intended, despite explanation as to why you were in error. You have a problem with the English language. It’s sometimes frustrating for you, it seems. But, I suppose that’s understandable to a point, what with popular usage, common usage and classical usage sometimes being at variance. You must get a real headache, trying to understand Shakespeare, let alone the King James Bible, for this very reason.
“I am an atheist because of my pursuit of truth.”
And you’re idea that there is no God and nothing worth serving, is misguided at best. If you are truly pursuing the truth you will eventually come to a different conclusion.
The world has always had people who were certain there was no God yet vigorously pursued the truth. One thing I’m certain of is that there is nothing more true than God. I can only take you at your word that you pursue the truth... look forward to you joining the family.
So... show me the variations. How in the world can you possibly believe that all of the various middle species died out. Why that would take a TREMENDOUS amount of faith to believe.
I understand evolution. I just don’t understand how people can have such faith in something they have no proof of and cannot see.
Or can I?
Is it possible that you have to be just as religious to believe in evolution? The only difference I can see is that your faith is a dead end.
Where do I start...
“I love myself, but hopefully not to the point of narcissism though and I wouldn’t wish becoming a rock star on my worst enemy. Michael Jackson is an abomination.”
I say rock star and you get Michael Jackson? The King of Pop??? That’s funny!
“If you are right and your God condemns me to an eternity of hellfire, I will march proudly into that lake knowing in my heart that I followed a path of truth.”
Lots of folks didn’t believe Hitler was evil... that is until they were rounded up and placed in the ovens. I don’t think any of them were “marching proudly into that (fire) knowing in their heart they followed a path of truth.”
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If that’s the kind of logic you follow, no wonder you come about the conclusions you do.
==If you are right and your God condemns me to an eternity of hellfire, I will march proudly into that lake knowing in my heart that I followed a path of truth.
Somehow, I doubt that. First, all of your folly will have been laid bare. Second, I think your view of hellfire will change when it finally dawns on you that the fire will not consume you, but will last forever and ever and ever.
Gordon - Lots of folks didn’t believe Hitler was evil... that is until they were rounded up and placed in the ovens. I don’t think any of them were “marching proudly into that (fire) knowing in their heart they followed a path of truth.”
Wow! It never even occurred to me to compare God with Hitler. You young earthers never fail to amaze me.
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