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1 posted on 04/02/2009 7:05:41 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Finny; vladimir998; Coyoteman; allmendream; LeGrande; GunRunner; cacoethes_resipisco; ...
For those who missed Chapters 1-5 of this absolutely fascinating series see:

Chapter 1: Preliminary Remarks about the Concept of Information

Chapter 2: Principles of Laws of Nature

Chapter 3: Information Is a Fundamental Entity

Chapter 4: The Five Levels of the Information Concept

Chapter 5: Delineation of the Information Concept

(stay tuned for Chapter 6)

 

2 posted on 04/02/2009 7:06:37 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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"Theorem 28: There is no known law of nature, no known process, and no known sequence of events which can cause information to originate by itself in matter..."

Where's your proof? If you don't have any proof, it's not a theorm.

4 posted on 04/02/2009 7:08:59 PM PDT by spunkets
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False. The formation of stars and planets is one such process. A planetary system has more information (in a technical sense) than the dust particles that went into making it.


18 posted on 04/02/2009 7:58:58 PM PDT by AZLiberty (I hope Obama changes.)
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Ilya Prigogine made early discoveries in the area of deterministic chaos. His book The End of Certainty: Time, Chaos, and the New Laws of Nature is excellent.
21 posted on 04/02/2009 8:04:25 PM PDT by AZLiberty (I hope Obama changes.)
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Information gets into tree rings and ice cores by natural means. Information also gets into DNA by natural means.


30 posted on 04/02/2009 8:26:25 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

A pseudoscientific paper authored by an engineer.

Has he submitted this for peer-review?

How would you falsify his “theorem”?

In order for any hypothesis to have any type of scientific merit it must stand up to peer-review.

That is how science works.

Also abiogensis has nothing to do with the theory of evolution.

Evolutionary theory deals mainly with how life changed after its origin. Science does try to investigate how life started (e.g., whether or not it happened near a deep-sea vent, which organic molecules came first, etc.), but these considerations are not the central focus of evolutionary theory. Regardless of how life started, afterwards it branched and diversified, and most studies of evolution are focused on those processes.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/misconceptions_faq.php#a1


32 posted on 04/02/2009 8:30:28 PM PDT by Ira_Louvin
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To: GodGunsGuts
Placemarker for later perusal
68 posted on 04/03/2009 8:23:23 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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Then how do stars create PAH’s?

You know, like caffeine and compounds in chocolate.


83 posted on 04/03/2009 9:39:07 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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YOU PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MAKE MY HEAD EXPLODE.

HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT: Every last one of you infuriating goofballs on this thread is assigned the first two chapters of this book. Until you understand them you have NO BUSINESS PARTICIPATING IN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT INFORMATION THEORY.

Re: The Original Post, Dr Gitt is a crazyman who is attempting to disguise a laughable mess of mystical blather, non-sequiters, and general loopy moonman logic as a scientific paper. It is a fairly regular occurence that journals get insane submissions from hairy weirdos attempting to disprove (or prove) things like the second law of thermodynamics; often they keep a few of the craziest around to laugh at. Gitt's "paper" falls in this category.

More specific criticisms of his work can be found in my post here. Let me add one question to that, for anyone still defending this nonsense: what is Dr. Gitt's definition of information?

219 posted on 04/05/2009 1:31:06 AM PDT by oldmanreedy
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