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To: BereanBrain
"Quantum, if anything, makes us EVEN LESS SURE about what we OBSERVE in the universe, due to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and the apparent affect or mere observation on “quantum events”."

Nonsense. Quantum simply means discrete.

"Since SCIENCE is based on observation of events (and assuming they operate the same way when not observed), this causes even more “whistling in the dark” from physicists."

Ridiculous. This isn't even a complete thought. Also, there's no assumption that things operate the same way when they're not observed. It's a requirement that they do so. Otherwise A≠A !

"Chaos Theory (which basically states there really ARE no Random events in the universe)"

BS.

"you being to realize our current level of understanding of the Universe is just as flawed as when “science” did not believe that germs were the cause of disease, or that worms spontaneously generated from horsehair"

More of the same.

17 posted on 04/02/2009 7:56:27 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets

argue with wikipedia then see article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics which states (in the section on Quantum mechanics and Classical Physics)

“Quantum mechanics provides probabilistic results because the physical universe is itself probabilistic rather than deterministic”.

No Virginia, there are at the deepest level the universe operates, no discrete, small measurable states.....kinda makes we are all living in a seamless version of “the Matrix”, right?


31 posted on 04/02/2009 8:26:55 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: spunkets

“Also, there’s no assumption that things operate the same way when they’re not observed. It’s a requirement that they do so. Otherwise A?A !”

Not going to get into the theology, and generally agree with your assessment of the site, but your above statement is factually incorrect. I’m guessing you have studied QM much. The reality is that it is provable (and has been proven) that at the QM (and in some cases if set up properly macro) level, A(observed) does NOT equal A(unobserved). The double slit exeriment is the classical (pun intended) experiment that shows this. It’s very counter-intuitive stuff. Also google for the double slit experiment using star light - great example of the distemporal nature of this QM effect. PS It has been a while since I took my graduate level QM classes and I don’t use this stuff much anymore, so apologies for inacuracies in terminology.


60 posted on 04/03/2009 6:13:04 AM PDT by piytar (Obama = Mugabe wannabe. Wake up America.)
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To: spunkets

BTW, here’s a kink to the double slit experiment re observed and unobserved in case you are interested: http://www.energeticforum.com/energetic-science-ministries/163-quantum-physics-double-slit-experiment-spooky-quantum-physics.html


61 posted on 04/03/2009 6:19:29 AM PDT by piytar (Obama = Mugabe wannabe. Wake up America.)
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