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N.Korea:Behind North’s jubilation was anxiety(many mishaps; launch, a miracle?)
JoongAng Daily ^ | 04/08/09 | Lee Young-jong, Yoo Jee-ho

Posted on 04/07/2009 7:10:46 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Behind North’s jubilation was anxiety

Questions arise over rocket science technological advances by Pyongyang

April 08, 2009

South Korean intelligence sources said there was confusion and anxiety behind North Korea’s celebratory facade after what it claimed a successful satellite launch on Sunday.

An intelligence source told the JoongAng Ilbo that Pyongyang was “in a state of confusion” following the rocket launch.

Officials from the United States and South Korea have said no object entered orbit, but the source said that wasn’t the reason for disquiet in the North Korean capital.

According to the source, North Korean officials were on the edge of their seats before the launch because of their primitive technology, and some said it was a wonder that the rocket even got off the pad.

South Korean sources said the North decided to send merchant vessels to the East Sea and to the Pacific Ocean, around projected landing areas for the rocket’s boosters.

The North wanted to have experts out in the sea to track the rocket but it did not want to send a warship that close to Japan.

However, the engine of a ship it sent to the Pacific broke down. South Korean sources said North Korean officials were busy trying to pass the buck for the problem.

South Korean sources said the North’s officials actually did not know where the rocket had traveled. The North does not own a high-tech radar system that tracks objects for thousands of kilometers.

South Korea’s radar on its Aegis destroyer King Sejong the Great tracked the rocket up to 1,000 kilometers (621 miles), while the more advanced radars of the United States and Japan followed it the rest of the way.

North Korea could not keep track of its second booster, which reportedly traveled about 3,100 kilometers east of its launch base in Musudan-ri, northeast of the peninsula.

It took nearly four hours after the launch for North Korea to announce its satellite had reached orbit. South Korean sources said the North took time to analyze data from the South, Japan and the United States before making the call.

Hwang Eui-don, a general in intelligence in the South’s defense ministry, told a legislative committee that the North flew fighters and bombers after its pre-launch preparations leaked.

But the South’s sources said a MiG-21 fighter jet crashed due to inadequate maintenance.

Meanwhile, U.S. Marine Corps General James Cartwright, vice chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, spoke of the unlikelihood that the rocket launch would increase the danger of North Korean proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

“On the idea of proliferation, would you buy from somebody who had failed three times in a row and never been successful?” said Cartwright.

A South Korean government official said, on condition of anonymity, that it remained unclear whether the second and the third stages of the rocket had separated before they plunged into the Pacific Ocean, saying, “It will take up to a week to determine that, following additional analysis.”

By Lee Young-jong, Yoo Jee-ho [jeeho@joongang.co.kr]


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: launch; mishap; missile; nkorea
The original of this article in Korean mentions that a few other N. Korean jet fighters crashed earlier this year, during training (or exercise) as the part of preparation for this launch.

Their aging planes are falling out of sky due to poor maintenance and lack of training, I suspect.

1 posted on 04/07/2009 7:10:47 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; Steel Wolf; nuconvert; MizSterious; nw_arizona_granny; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 04/07/2009 7:11:29 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (from "Irrational Exuberance" to "Mark to Zero": from '96 to '09)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Just imagine what a strong Reagan like President could do to curb these incompetent jerks. Too bad all we’ve had is GW (barely adequate) and zero (no comment needed).


3 posted on 04/07/2009 7:16:59 PM PDT by piytar (Obama = Mugabe wannabe. Wake up America.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; Jet Jaguar; monkapotamus; AmericanInTokyo; All

Hey Tiger you know what I think they afraid tell Chia Pet the truth about missile what do you think like in Team America he shot his translater


4 posted on 04/07/2009 7:29:12 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Many thanks. I had speculated on a separation failure in another thread. If they were looking to market this little turd to the Iranians I'm guessing it'll be no sale.

“On the idea of proliferation, would you buy from somebody who had failed three times in a row and never been successful?” said Cartwright.

No. But Huey Chavez might.

5 posted on 04/07/2009 7:37:23 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

According to the local media report in S. Korea, the separation between second and third stage rocket failed. The bolts connecting the two did not blow up to allow the separation as designed.


6 posted on 04/07/2009 7:48:37 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (from "Irrational Exuberance" to "Mark to Zero": from '96 to '09)
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What makes North Korea dangerous is the large amount of artillery, troops and armor they possess.

The DMZ is gonna be one hell of a hot place if North Korea ever decides to cross the border in force. They’ll be raining down artillery well ahead of their advance. They’ll have saboteurs and special forces running amok behind South Korean lines. Lots of mayhem and lots of civilian casualties too.

I certainly hope that the Air Force (and the ROK Air Force) can slow the North Korean advance long enough to allow our (and the ROK) troops to get into position.


7 posted on 04/07/2009 7:51:37 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Thank you VERY much for that! I have a beer bet with a buddy, another old ex-Navy missileer. :-)

It sounds easy, but it isn't. It's just one of those little two-bit things that has to be right every time or the whole thing comes tumbling down.

8 posted on 04/07/2009 7:55:33 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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I find it fascinating that this article appears the same day as the article in which Russia claims Iran is “no threat” to the UNited States — in fact, that article follows this one on the News/Activism Forum of FR...

Why do I question this? Why are we being told that those powers in the Axis of Evil are no longer to be considered a threat? I find that FAR too convenient for the agenda of President Obama.

If NK has sold their technology to Syria, helping them build a Nuke Plant (which Israel took out last year), they ARE a threat. If the NK can launch a missile/Rocket which overflies Japan and certainly CAN reach at least Alaska, and probably the West Coast, they ARE a threat.

AND, if Iran has missiles that can reach Tel-Aviv and Western Europe, then THEY are a threat. If they have the capability to shut down the Strait of Hormuz (and they do w/Russian built Nuke Subs)then they certainly ARE a threat.

This is Obama propaganda to take our eyes off that very REAL problem and convince us to do his bidding here at home, spending Billions diverted from legitimate defense expenses to his Socialist pipe-dreams....

Don’t buy it, or we could find ourselves in a mess in several places around the world far worse than the ones we’re in now.


9 posted on 04/07/2009 8:17:34 PM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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Yes, this kind of article can be spinned to rationalize non-action or outright appeasement.

NYT was hard at work in that regard. NK rocket is indeed rudimentary at this stage. On the other hand, one does not need a sophisticated bomb to torch a house. All you need is a determined psychopath keep trying again and again to set a fire with a match. And the skill of psychopath is improving. He is about to have a primitive flame thrower of his own.:-)

10 posted on 04/07/2009 8:24:13 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (from "Irrational Exuberance" to "Mark to Zero": from '96 to '09)
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To: MplsSteve
I would guess - since this isn't my field - that the US and ROK Air Forces' strategy is probably something similar to what we had planned for the Soviets in Europe. In that case, we were also facing vastly superior (in numbers) forces. The strategy, as I understand it, was "deep strike." Basically, don't try to take on the heavily defended and armored combat units directly. Instead, take out the support tail: bridges, railroads, supply dumps, etc.

The front line troops have to fight a holding action or staged withdrawal in the face of superior forces. However, the attackers aren't going to get much further than they can go on one tank of fuel. Then with their restricted mobility and depleted ammunition stocks we would counter attack and execute maneuver warfare - attacking when and where we decided, with initiative and surprise.

What makes this problematic in Korea is that Seoul is only what, 40 miles south of the 38th parallel? Not a lot of room to trade for time.

11 posted on 04/07/2009 8:33:19 PM PDT by CodeMasterPhilzar (I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom. You can keep the "change.")
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To: patriot preacher
You're right. They are a very real threat, simply because they keep trying. Their next test could very well go perfectly. The problem or problems bedeviling them now could be the simplest, stupidest things. Just ask NASA about some of its early attempts at building launch vehicles. Heck, the Navy has lost test missiles to something as simple as a part of the safety being made one gear tooth off - an ambiguity on the drawing...

obama: we cannot afford to ignore or minimize this threat simply to fuel your ego and meet your political agenda. To do so will cost American lives.

12 posted on 04/07/2009 8:44:16 PM PDT by CodeMasterPhilzar (I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom. You can keep the "change.")
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One factor in favor of S. Korea and U.S.: North of Seoul used to be just another countryside. Not anymore. Heavy development projects made the region full of buildings and clogged roads. Such densely populated urban area, which sprung up in recent years, create a headache for advancing army. Buildings, especially apartment complex(many of them are made up of high-rise buildings) can be used as hand bunkers as defensive positions. Building can be demolished to create barriers.

Besides, there is far less flat area for providing armors and transportation vehicles to drive on. They will be trapped into a maze, taking fire from all direction.

Overdeveloped urban area can have some fringe benefit: to stop massed advance of enemy.:-)

13 posted on 04/07/2009 8:50:51 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (from "Irrational Exuberance" to "Mark to Zero": from '96 to '09)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Correction:

can be used as hand handy bunkers as defensive positions.

14 posted on 04/07/2009 8:55:21 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (from "Irrational Exuberance" to "Mark to Zero": from '96 to '09)
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