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California: "Smart Guns" Bill to be Heard in Sacramento on Tuesday, April 28
NRA - ILA ^ | 21 April 2009 | Unknown

Posted on 04/22/2009 8:28:23 AM PDT by mbynack

On Tuesday, April 28, the Senate Public Safety Committee will hear Senate Bill 697.

SB697, authored by State Senator Mark DeSaulnier (D-7), would prohibit the sale of handguns other than "owner-authorized (or ‘smart’) handguns" -- that is, handguns with a permanent, programmable biometric feature that renders the firearm useless unless activated by the authorized user. No proven, viable handgun of this type has ever been developed. The bill would require the California Attorney General to report to the Governor and Legislature on the availability of owner-authorized handguns; once the Attorney General finds that these guns are available, only “owner-authorized” handguns could be approved for sale in California.


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California is working on another backdoor infringement on the second amendment - Legislate common weapons out of existence. Do you think that the police and California National Guard are going to be using “smart guns”?
1 posted on 04/22/2009 8:28:23 AM PDT by mbynack
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My thoughts exactly. If the cops use them, I’ll use them, but not before, thank you very much.


2 posted on 04/22/2009 8:29:36 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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This is more gun owner harassment! It is another cockamamie idea like serial numbers on bullets.


3 posted on 04/22/2009 8:29:59 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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Libs like smart guns, but hate smart bombs.

Mmm’kay.


4 posted on 04/22/2009 8:31:13 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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A million new criminals are now created.


5 posted on 04/22/2009 8:32:30 AM PDT by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir)
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“No proven, viable handgun of this type has ever been developed.”

Nuff’ Said


6 posted on 04/22/2009 8:33:58 AM PDT by NMEwithin
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While they are at it, can they install the “unlimited ammo” feature?
7 posted on 04/22/2009 8:42:47 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (As 0bama punishes us, we are punishing his supporters ten fold.)
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Dumb guns a much safer, they can’t figure out how to shoot by themselves.


8 posted on 04/22/2009 8:44:00 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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“No proven, viable handgun of this type has ever been developed.”

Nothing that outrageously expensive users fee's and/or permits for firearms couldn't pay for until doable. : (

9 posted on 04/22/2009 8:45:06 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, Question everyone else)
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Lets see how soon the LAW ENFORCEMENT officers start using “smart” guns. If they don’t you know it is a bogus bill.


10 posted on 04/22/2009 8:46:03 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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So what does the bill intend on doing to all the other hand guns already in circulation? How does it prevent criminals from buying older guns out of the backs of vans that came from other sources?

Does neither, meaning it only punishes the law abiding good citizens of California.


11 posted on 04/22/2009 8:48:47 AM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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I’d like to see a ‘smart governor” bill passed.


12 posted on 04/22/2009 8:53:24 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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I hope someone at the hearing stands up and asks how this plays against the recent 9th circuit court decision incorporating the 2A against the states (Nordyke v. King).

Seems like a shame to waste time & state resources on something that will never pass constitutional muster.


13 posted on 04/22/2009 8:56:31 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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...and the police state rolls on....


14 posted on 04/22/2009 9:01:49 AM PDT by EricT. ("Mankind, when left to themselves, are unfit for their own government." -George Washington)
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I would voluntarily buy one of these if 1) it wasn’t too expensive, 2) it had a false negative rate of absolutely zero percent. I like the idea that, if stolen, the gun would be useless to the thief.

Go to protect yourself, and I won’t accept that your gun can say “Sorry, you are not the owner” because a smudge or something kept it from reading your biometrics properly.

A californian here needs to contact his state rep and have inserted a requirement that, for the safety of the owners, any technology must have a zero percent false negative rate.


15 posted on 04/22/2009 9:17:22 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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guess the libs will ban backs of vans next.

rotten gun grabbers!!!


16 posted on 04/22/2009 9:17:36 AM PDT by dhm914
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A biometric device would be electronic and therefore susceptible to electronic countermeasures...

Either by radio-jamming (radio interference), or by EMP... such firearms would be able to be remotely disabled in a time of... uh... “crisis”

Also, it would be difficult to be certain that the biometric electronics were free of “back-doors” event logs, GPS, etc.

The biometric device could easily be built with a micro-receiver, so the device could be selectively disabled by whomever.

That’s not to say that is their intent, it’s just to state the kinds of things that could be done with electronics in a firearm.

Besides the civil liberties concerns of authorities being able to remotely disable firearms, likely when they would be most needed to defend one’s family from a riot or natural disaster, there is also the fact that there is no such thing as a 100% secure system.

So, due to mistaken identity, your firearm might be disabled when they meant to disable a criminal’s on the run. Of course, they’d not likely know which gun the criminal has, so could not disable by address.

There is also the problem of the system being hacked... Then the next time some professional-grade thugs are about to run a home-invasion, they just simply exploit the hacked system to make sure the home-owners are defenseless.

OK, so maybe I projected a bit in to the future here...

But what I have written above is not hyperbole. It absolutely could be done, and WOULD be exploitable, and subject to abuse. This system is especially dangerous with a comprehensive gun registration database (No way to keep those 100% secure either).

IMO, it should NOT be done. It is not safe, and the risks far outweigh the benefits.


17 posted on 04/22/2009 9:18:56 AM PDT by Miykayl
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A few thoughts...

The police will be the first to adopt this - it completely eliminates the threat of having your own firearm used against you. If you lose your pistol, you don’t have to worry about arming your suspect with anything more than a 24 ounce club.

And if this passes, give it 2 years before pistols are available. CA just told firearm manufacturers that CA will be a completely captive market to the first company to create this technology. That is a BIG financial incentive to design and build just such a product.


18 posted on 04/22/2009 9:26:17 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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The neat things about smart guns is that they are electronic and electronics can be disabled. Whenever the government wants to.


19 posted on 04/22/2009 9:27:37 AM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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Jocelyn Elders(An A*ss from the Past) was consulted


20 posted on 04/22/2009 9:31:30 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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