[jmcenanly]

Is it any wonder that left wing governments often devolve into prison states? Between trying to keep down any sign of capitalism that may crop up and making certain that no one steps out of line, everyone is a possible suspect.

[KDD]

But when Ashcroft and Bush rammed this DHS and the Patriot Act through Congress most here cheered and defended “our Presidents” wisdom and extolled the necessity and virtue of these new Gestapo laws. I will never forgive members here who helped foster an acceptance of this traitorous Act. Republicans were not champions of the Bill of Rights or individual rights at all in this case. It was just fine here as long as Rs not Ds had these new police state powers. We sure have the govt. we deserve now.

Those of us who warned that it was government getting these new powers and not the figurehead R or D politicians were screamed down and ridiculed by those here who were so fearful of cave dwelling camel humpers on the other side of the world that they sold their countries legacy of freedom. So don't start whining now.