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To: Cronos

Since the Tamil Tigers were the world’s most murderous terrorists (and I didn’t know that they were the ones who killed Rajiv Gandhi), it is unlikely that passions will allow this to happen for a long time.


3 posted on 05/19/2009 2:04:05 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
True, passions won't allow this to happen.

however, let's examine the facts -- in the 50s and 60s, just after independence, the Tamils in Sri Lanka WERE discriminated against by the Sinhalese. This is a throw-back to the fact that they shared the island for centuries if not millenia and also the British generally played the game of divide and rule.

The Sri Lanka of today does not have discrimination against one community, but many Tamils still nurse grudges and see slights (maybe mostly imagined, but who knows?) against their community.

Right now the key agenda of President Rajapaksha should be to demonstrate to Tamils that they will be treated as equals to the Sinhalese (how he will do that, I am no way qualified to say, I just don't know, but I wish him well). He also has to ensure that they are co-opted into the democratic process -- these two points go hand in hand.

in the LONG term, maybe decades from now, the Indian continent needs to be a federation.

India, the country IS a federation made up of multiple countries that share very little history or culture or language together. If, for example, you just compare Karnataka and Maharashtra, two adjoining states, both of them are larger than France and Germany combined. They each have a distinct language (both belonging to different family trees (one is Aryan, the other Dravidian) with different SCRIPTS!). They each have separate, distinct cultures and they have distinct histories -- at times being at war with each other.

However, the India experiment seems to work and the larger indian federation will also work, but you are right that it will be in the far future.
4 posted on 05/19/2009 2:11:17 AM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; Cronos

Came across this very interesting piece from the Economist when I was browsing through their site-it was written in the aftermath of Rajiv Gandhi’s assassination-

http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?story_id=13684479&source=hptextfeature

India’s trial

May 25th 1991
From The Economist print edition

ASSASSINATION, said Disraeli, never changed the history of the world. He may have been right, in his day. But the bomb that killed Rajiv Gandhi this week sent its blast through an India already on the edge of tragedy. That is why a single act of political barbarism, in the southern town of Sriperumbudur on the night of May 21st, may yet smash the world’s biggest democracy into sectarian fragments.

Mr Gandhi’s murder came in the middle of a general-election campaign that had already been marred by more killing, intimidation and vote-grabbing than India had seen in any of its nine previous elections. Sikh separatists, Assamese secessionists, Tamil militants, Bihari gangsters, Kashmiri guerrillas—all had provided bloody evidence, well before the election, of an India sliding towards ungovernability. The lofty idea that India could endure as a secular democracy of diverse peoples had come under open attack from the Hindu chauvinists of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). Despite being an affront to the memory of Mahatma Gandhi, the founding father of independent India, the BJP’s attack had been immensely popular. Equally depressing, in its implicit rejection of the notion that merit deserves reward, was the cynical appeal made to the lower castes and the Muslims by V.P. Singh’s Janata Dal Party.

Yet India contains not just the forces of fragmentation, but also reserves of strength. One is the refusal of its generals, in contrast to their counterparts in Pakistan and Bangladesh, to be drawn into politics. The other is the resilience of the union.Even in its infancy, India was strong enough to survive the assassination of Mahatma Gandhi in 1948. Decades later, in 1984, the sense of unity was still strong enough to calm the sectarian anger that followed the murder of Rajiv Gandhi’s mother, Indira. Mr Gandhi’s murder is a new and testing tragedy. But neither as a national leader nor as a party politician was he as commanding as his mother or his grandfather, Jawaharlal Nehru, India’s first prime minister. Why should his death, however tragic, threaten irreparable damage to an institutional structure of such proven strength?

The answer lies in India’s recent wasted years, for which Mr Gandhi was partly responsible. He was a charming man, and a brave man (his decision to lower the wall of security between himself and the voters must have encouraged his assassins). But he lacked the intellectual force which his mother and grandfather had, and which he needed if he was to fulfil his ambition to drag India “into the 21st century”. The opportunity was there: when he became prime minister after his mother’s assassination by Sikh extremists, he carried with him the goodwill and sympathy of both parliament and public. He talked of opening the economy to the modernising forces of technology and the market, and of ending the corruption that pervades every stratum of an infinitely stratified country. He calmed secessionist sentiment by dealing constructively with the regional parties of Kashmir, Assam and Punjab.

Ultimately, though, he failed. By the time he and the Congress Party were humbled in the 1989 election, his administration had fallen prey to all the usual vices of Indian factionalism. Party colleagues, notably Mr Singh, deserted him, and his own reputation was tarnished by allegations that he had taken bribes from Bofors, a Swedish arms company. Out of office, he played the politics of Machiavelli. Chandra Shekhar’s minority government rested on the support of Congress— support which Mr Gandhi then chose to withdraw, thus bringing about the present election. When he died, India was still too far from the 21st century.

Can it complete the journey, as one nation, without him? Since his widow, Sonia, has declined appointment in his place as president of the Congress Party, his murder will probably mark the end of the Nehru dynasty whirls has ruled India for 40 of its 44 years of independence. The Nehru creed was of India as a secular union. Its doctrine was self-sufficiency and the Fabian socialism that Nehru’s generation imbibed during the struggle against colonialism. The creed still makes sense but, as both Mr Gandhi and Mr Singh began dimly to realise in the 1980s, the doctrine does not.

The necessary journey
After this week’s murder, India’s first task is to keep the idea of secularism alive. Only under a secular constitution can a nation of nearly 850m people that is divided and then sub-di-vided by race, religion and caste stay peacefully together for the journey ahead.

Lal Krishna Advani’s BJP argues that a nation that is 80% Hindu can peacefully assume an official Hindu identity. The argument is both dangerous and disingenuous. India’s minorities are huge—Muslims alone number 100m—and spread throughout the country. When the banner of religion is raised as a banner of politics, blood will flow, just as it has done in Belfast, Beirut and Colombo. India of all places should know that. Vast numbers died in the 1947 partition of Muslim Pakistan from Hindu-dominated India. Last year’s attempts by the BJP to build a Hindu temple on the disputed site of a mosque in Ayodhya sparked off murderous riots across the nation. Indira Gandhi’s assassination was itself an act of revenge by her Sikh bodyguards, after hundreds of Sikhs were killed during the clearing of extremists from their Golden Temple in Amritsar.

That is why, in the short run, it matters enormously who was responsible for Mr Gandhi’s assassination. If, as the government’s first reports suggested, the blame lies with disaffected Tamils, so much the better—the Indian masses care little about the problems of Tamil separatism in Sri Lanka. Heaven forbid that Sikhs or Muslims are to blame.

To Congress, the task
When the election campaign resumes, the responsibility for India’s future could well revert to the Congress Party. It was already showing strength in the exit polls, and may now be boosted by a sympathy vote. That is a better outcome than an India dominated by the likes of the BJP, or by the Marxist members of Mr Singh’s National Front coalition, or by the woolly minds of Mr Chandra Shekhar’s Socialist Janata Dal. Congress’s hands may be soiled, but at least they are experienced, a fact which the voters have begun again to appreciate. If the party can command India’s electoral centre, it stands a chance of keeping India secular, at one and at peace.

An India that overcomes its present political trial will still have work to do. It must be fierce about preserving Nehru’s creed of secularism, but equally fierce about ditching the failed policies of economic interventionism and self-sufficiency that he attached to it. India’s economic failure is not the cause of the hatred between its religions, but it makes the hatreds worse. A country where the average income is only $350 a year, and where the poor jostle for space as well as food, will never find it easy to bind up its factional wounds.

Mr Gandhi was probably the last of the Nehru rulers, of whom the Congress Party is a creation. But he had the unhappy knack of making enemies in the party. The end of family rule may now give Congress a chance to reunite. If Congress brings itself to adopt the economic freedoms which have made so much of Asia rich—but which India’s intellectual and social elites have smugly rejected—the yearned-for 21st century is within its grasp. If it fails, the world’s biggest democracy will be even less able to survive the next assassin’s blow.


9 posted on 05/19/2009 5:34:01 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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