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WHO radio hosts compare alleged Tiller assassin to anti-slavery crusader
Iowa Independent ^ | 6/2/2009 | Jason Hancock

Posted on 06/02/2009 9:06:57 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky

Two of Iowa’s top-rated radio personalities compared the man suspected of murdering Kansas doctor George Tiller with 19th Century abolitionist John Brown.

Steve Deace, who hosts a drive-time show on WHO-AM, said society helped create Scott Roeder, the man in custody for the killing of Tiller Sunday morning, by refusing to stop abortion by legal methods.

“Maybe the fact that we have a lawless society that has not protected these babies from infanticide created the Scott Roeders of the world, who in very John Brown-like fashion, illegally took matters into his own hands,” Deace said. “Saying that if the system will not deal with an evil, then to Hell with the system.”

A radical abolitionist, Brown led a gang that brutally killed several pro-slavery figures in Kansas and later led a violent attack upon the United States Arsenal at Harpers Ferry, Va. He was eventually arrested, charged with treason, and executed.

Deace danced the line throughout his program between celebrating the fact that Tiller is dead and condemning murder. At one point he discussed vengeance, and how the Bible says vengeance “doesn’t belong to us, it belongs to [God.]” But he admitted being conflicted, saying he is happy that “babies in Kansas are safer today than they were yesterday while George Tiller was still taking in oxygen.”

He expressed anger at anti-abortion groups expressing remorse for Tiller’s family.

“I don’t feel grief for his family, unless it’s grief that they’re in the same family has him,” Deace said. “How many of their bills were paid over the years by the blood on daddy’s hands. I don’t have a lot of sympathy for that. Maybe I should.”

Earlier in the day, another of WHO-AM’s conservative hosts, Jan Mickelson, also discussed the similarities between Tiller’s murderer and John Brown.

But ultimately, Mickelson’s biggest concern was that the murder would tip the scales in the debate of issues ranging from hate crime legislation to the nomination of Sonia Sotomayor to the U.S. Supreme Court.

“We’re within the mantle of a lot of cultural clash and friction points,” he said. “This murder is already being used as justification for ‘Fill in the blank.’”

Mickelson did not get into specifics about how Tiller’s murder would effect debate of these issues.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; deace; prolife; talkradio; tiller
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1 posted on 06/02/2009 9:06:58 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Ol' Sparky

There is an article at Pajamas Media about this comparison. Not sure how appropriate it is since Brown had a long history as an abolishionist and we know next to nothing about this nut.

Brown also was attempting to steal weapons and give to slaves when he was caught and hung. This guy just walked into a church and shot a doctor in the head. I think we should drop the comparison.


2 posted on 06/02/2009 9:19:35 PM PDT by Patrick1 (I'm not calling in sick; I'm calling in gone!)
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To: Ol' Sparky

He will probably be in trouble for what he was saying, but lives may be saved if Tiller is not replaced with someone as active or more than one. Not many people do the late term abortions and not just because they could be shot either.


3 posted on 06/02/2009 9:25:11 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Ol' Sparky

John Brown ended up with a rope around his neck....


4 posted on 06/02/2009 9:30:48 PM PDT by GoldStandard
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To: Patrick1
The comparison still has a bit of truth to it. Antebellum slaveowners obsessed about the man and in their mind painted the murderous John Brown as the typical anti-slaver; and modern abortionists certainly are proving themselves to be equally disingenuous.
5 posted on 06/02/2009 9:33:06 PM PDT by eclecticEel (The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
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To: Ol' Sparky

It’s a legitimate comparison. John Brown was indeed an extremist, and possibly insane, but he shined a light on the slavery issue, showing to those who thought the two sides could somehow compromise, that indeed compromise was not possible.


6 posted on 06/02/2009 9:52:28 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Ol' Sparky

This is guaranteed to be an interesting thread...


7 posted on 06/02/2009 9:55:11 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Elections, like erections, often have similar consequences!)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Trivia question: For 10 FReeper points, name the man who arrested John Brown and who he had with him...


8 posted on 06/02/2009 10:03:56 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("The unarmed man is not just defenseless - he is also contemptible." Machiavelli)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

John Wilkes Booth asked and was granted permission to watch the hanging when they executed John Brown.


9 posted on 06/02/2009 10:13:47 PM PDT by GloriaJane (http://www.last.fm/music/Gloria+Jane/_/World+Peace?autostart)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Trivia question: For 10 FReeper points, name the man who arrested John Brown and who he had with him...

Errol Flynn / Ronald Reagan??? (sorry :)

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10 posted on 06/02/2009 10:14:45 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (When you put Democrats in charge, stupid / deadly things happen... :^)
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To: Patrick1
There is an article at Pajamas Media about this comparison. Not sure how appropriate it is since Brown had a long history as an abolishionist and we know next to nothing about this nut.

There were no late term abortions in Kansas today.

11 posted on 06/02/2009 10:18:12 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I know Robert E. Lee led the force sent to get him. I believe J.E.B. Stuart led the assault on the engine house where Brown was holed up.


12 posted on 06/02/2009 10:19:50 PM PDT by Yankee
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To: All; Yankee; skinkinthegrass; GloriaJane

For 10 more points, what branch of service constituted the force led by Army Colonel Robert E. Lee?


13 posted on 06/02/2009 10:38:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("The unarmed man is not just defenseless - he is also contemptible." Machiavelli)
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For 10 more points, what branch of service constituted the force led by Army Colonel Robert E. Lee?

The Virginia State Militia?

"When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators." - P. J. O'Rourke

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elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake
to find they have Communism." - Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959


14 posted on 06/02/2009 10:44:45 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (When you put Democrats in charge, stupid / deadly things happen... :^)
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To: Patrick1

This evil abortionist was more like John Brown than was the shooter. Brown was a fanatical murderer and wanted to kill beaucoup more people as did the abortionist.
The difference was that then, the govt. rightly strung up Brown, while today it legalizes abortion and a major portion of the population idolizes it’s practitioners including the “President” of the U.S.


15 posted on 06/02/2009 10:45:52 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: Ol' Sparky

hmmm....Brown killed innocents

Tiller was no innocent.

and abortion is far worse than US slavery ever was..

but I get his point...


16 posted on 06/02/2009 10:47:09 PM PDT by wardaddy (Obama .....you are not my friend. You are an enemy of this nation and my culture and traditions)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A detachment of U.S. Marines actually carried out the assault but I can’t remember if other forces were involved.


17 posted on 06/02/2009 10:49:20 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: Patrick1

Brown killed innocents.

Tiller was guilty as sin of killing 60,000 babies

and abortion as an evil is exponentially worse than US slavery ever was....the intention of US slavery was to limit freedom in exchange for labor/servitude

abortion is only about killing...and killing the least defenseless and most precious...a slaveowner or overseer could be prosecuted and imprisoned for killing a slave

don’t know a thing about the guy who shot Tiller supposedly but we know enough about Brown to know he was a bit tightly wound and wished to die as a martyr


18 posted on 06/02/2009 10:51:41 PM PDT by wardaddy (Obama .....you are not my friend. You are an enemy of this nation and my culture and traditions)
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To: BnBlFlag

thank God another voice of reason....I cannot believe how some folks on a conservative website know so little about what Brown was actually like


19 posted on 06/02/2009 10:53:34 PM PDT by wardaddy (Obama .....you are not my friend. You are an enemy of this nation and my culture and traditions)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Lincoln called Brown a misguided lunatic.


20 posted on 06/02/2009 10:57:07 PM PDT by wardaddy (Obama .....you are not my friend. You are an enemy of this nation and my culture and traditions)
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