Posted on 06/15/2009 9:30:21 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
I believe the judging is Someone Else's job.
Once someone affirms or says or adheres to a false religion and a false prophet and a false god — then *they* themselves have judged themselves.
I’ll take them at their word that they believe a false god and a false religions and a false prophet.
And as long as they keep affirming that, don’t expect any help from me, and neither should any of them expect a single bit of help from the U.S. either..., especially not with the *stealth takeover* of Islam in these United States and their progress in Europe.
To lend an enemy like this — just one ounce of help is so stupid as to be committing suicide (as the “West” seems to want to do) at the hands of the enemy by giving them help to kill our society off, in place of the society that they want to install over here, via that evil and despicable religion...
Oh..., one more thing... :-)
You said — This is about FREEDOM.
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If it’s really about freedom, their *first step* is to dump the oppressive religion of Islam. If they do that — then I’ll know that they’re really *serious* about “freedom”... otherwise, they’re not...
AND.., as a side note here I sure would like to know — now that those Iranians who are living in this country know about freedom, how many of them (in this country) are *dumping* the evil and false religion of Islam — now that they are *free to do so*? That will tell me a lot, if I find out that (maybe, for “example”) 50% of the Iranians dump Islam as their religion as soon as they have the chance to do so “freely” here...
Agreed, but we are talking 1979 here. That is close enough for a cultural memory in even those that were not born then.
Have those that now cry, “stolen election”, “freedom”, whatever confronted that time and those people who gave them this mess? If not, maybe that's a good place to start. And when did those that now “protest” and their parents/grandparents decide that the Islamic Republic was a repressive sham?
“And the 1979 Revolution consisted of about 10% of Iranians. From those taking part then, how many dozen were involved with the hostage taking?”
How many thousands were in the streets screaming “death to America”. If memory serves me right, those people were identified as “students” then as I hear they are identified as the same now. Ironic, isn't it?
“Most were foolishly marching against the Shah and naively trusted Khomeini and the leftists who were part of the Revolution. And many regretted not long afterwards that they deserted the Shah”.
Uh huh, well they got what they wanted then didn't they. They cheered Khomeini when he returned from France didn't they? Given that Khomeini had told them exactly what he would do, layed it out and named it as such, they knew exactly what his vision of an Islamic Republic was didn't they. That they now have regrets is sad, but it's also sad that these people asked for what they got, then decided it was too repressive. I wonder if they get what they want now, how quickly will they decide that they want the old ways back. 30 years?
I wish them the best, but I remain skeptical.
;)
No. Exactly not. He was just like Obama speaking in generalities (freedom, justice, no foreign meddling, bread and butter blablabla, rule of godly laws). In their faux referendum, which was done by force, they put the "islamic republic" as the only choice on the referendum ballot without even explaining what this is.
As I said... the vast majorities of Iranians then and now are not responsible for the Revolution. I was there, as were several other Freepers. It was around 10% of Iran that demonstrated against the Shah, he was betrayed by Carter, the Brits and France, subverted by the KGB and finally folded and left the country under the heat.
Dissatisfication with the mullah regime goes back to the earliest stage 1980. Most people did not want what was coming. Ask MissDairygoodnessvt (she was there). The Khomeinist terror was horrible. Terror and fear where what was keeping people down. There was a LOT of resistance against Khomeini. By former officers, both pro-Shah and not, by leftists and by islamic-marxists. There were numerous attempts to kill him.
What kept a lid on Iranian dissent for the next decade was the Iran-Iraq war. Facing Saddam's invasion Iranians rallied around the flag. THIS is the single most stabilizing event for the regime. In the late stages of the war ten-thousands, if not more dissidents were executed. Under the cover of the war the regime clamped down of those it deemed most dangerous.
There were even in the Reformist era of the late 1990's attempts of rebellion, among them the student unrest of 18th Tir.
As I said already. Under Khatami internally things got a bit better and led to the hope that things can improve gradually. But Ahmadinejad was such a slap in the face and such a reversal into the 1980's, combined with the fear of another war, that they now have reached the boiling point.
This is the educated and Western-leaning (I kid you not.) middle-class rising up and turning against the thug rule of illiterates who have their base in the lowest classes.
I believe that is what they are doing now.
Thank you for your thoughtful reply.
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