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John Holdren, Obama's Science Czar: Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save planet
http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/ ^ | 7/10/2009

Posted on 07/10/2009 9:48:47 PM PDT by JRochelle

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To: rabscuttle385
"Some people just never learn."

That's why we need re-"Ned"ucation camps. /Simpsons

61 posted on 07/11/2009 12:40:24 AM PDT by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
"Interesting that Justice Ginsberg came out as a eugenicist."

And not long after Hillary honored one of the most successful eugenicists (founder of Planned Parenthood's ....ah... parent) in American history, Margaret Sanger.

"You would think that her ethnicity would discourage her in this approach."

Along the same thinking....why the hell do blacks vote overwhelmingly for the party which supports the eugenics of PP which still kills a disproportionate number of blacks and has been criticized for deliberately targeting black communities?

Ahhhh... eugenics and the millions slaughtered in its name. The first fruits of Darwinism. And the beginning of the takeover by the secular savior, science, from religion as the number one excuse for tyranny, war and murder in the modern world.

62 posted on 07/11/2009 12:51:38 AM PDT by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: PhilDragoo

Obama’s Biggest Radical
By: Ben Johnson
FrontPageMagazine.com | Friday, February 27, 2009

...Some critics have noted Holdren’s penchant for making apocalyptic predictions that never come to pass, and categorizing all criticism of his alarmist views as not only wrong but dangerous. What none has yet noted is that Holdren is a globalist who has endorsed “surrender of sovereignty” to “a comprehensive Planetary Regime” that would control all the world’s resources, direct global redistribution of wealth, oversee the “de-development” of the West, control a World Army and taxation regime, and enforce world population limits. He has castigated the United States as “the meanest of wealthy countries,” written a justification of compulsory abortion for American women, advocated drastically lowering the U.S. standard of living, and left the door open to trying global warming “deniers” for crimes against humanity. Such is Barack Obama’s idea of a clear-headed adviser on matters of scientific policy.

First Lab on the Left

All of these positions are consistent with a man who began his career as a “dissident scientist.” Peter Collier remembers Holdren working by day at a national laboratory and by night writing for Ramparts, the intellectual journal of the New Left. Holdren has authored numerous books and journal articles with his mentors Paul and Anne Ehrlich, the infamous doomsayers who predicted overpopulation would force most of the world’s population to perish during the 1980s “great die-off.” Holdren has gone on to a distinguished academic career in his own right. A longtime professor at the University of California at Berkeley, Teresa Heinz Kerry used her late husband’s tax-exempt billions to endow a chair at Harvard for Ehrlich’s disciple; Holdren is now the Teresa and John Heinz Professor of Environmental Policy at the Kennedy School of Government, where his (and her) ideas influence the next generation of policymakers. Holdren himself has a background in political “philanthropy,” serving for 14 years on John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation’s Board of Trustees, steering its grants to far-Left organizations. He also pursued the intersection of science and diplomacy by joining the Pugwash Conferences on Science and World Affairs, an organization founded during the Cold War by former nuclear scientist and fellow traveler Joseph Rotblat. Pugwash hewed to the Communist Party line and was subsequently feted by Czechslovakian and Polish Communist leaders....

http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=34198

excerpt only...read the entire article, your hair will stand on end.


63 posted on 07/11/2009 12:55:20 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: JRochelle
All attention should be focused like a laser beam on Holdren. This kind of evil must be showcased across the land and American Jews need to be reminded where eugenics leads.
64 posted on 07/11/2009 12:58:49 AM PDT by TheThinker (America doesn't have a president. It has a usurper.)
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To: BuddhaBrown
Ever been to China...?"

No, but if we continue the current transformation into the United State of Tyranny, then I might consider moving there for the relative political freedom.

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It's interesting that you talk about Tyranny because population density and tyranny are interrelated. When you have large and dense populations, you need to start making lots of laws, rules and regulations regarding people's behavior. If there's a lot of elbow room it isn't as necessary to make as many rules because people will not tend to get on each others nerves as much.

Think about all the parts of the US where there are so many regulations regarding behavior. In New York there are an infinity of things you cannot do that you could do in say Caspar Wyoming. Think about the gun laws. The most tyrannical come from New York, Chicago, Boston, etc., all cities with high population density.

California is getting to be just about the most repressive state in the Union- and where is it all coming from. Let me tell you it's the high population areas of LA and SF Bay Area. It isn't coming from Eureka.

The states with the most personal freedom are the low population and low population density states. Have fun in China if you decide to move there. I hated the few weeks I spent there. Too many people and not enough freedom.

And some final thoughts. Japan and China are homogeneous populations. Japan in particular is very homogeneous. They can take greater population density. When we get to the density they have in Japan, the US will look like Beirut in the middle of their Civil War. Detroit already looks like that and parts of New York look like that.

Think about that.
65 posted on 07/11/2009 1:04:33 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: Avoiding_Sulla
"...Esau was so powerful and skilled in hunting he felt no need for the God of his father."

Of course, the thing that really pissed off God was when Esau sold his birthright to Jacob for a bowl of lentil soup.

"And it was his grandson, Amalek, who is the quintessential man with whom God warned would make war with Him from generation to generation."

As prophesied by God while Jacob and Esau were both still what liberals might call non-viable tissue masses which happened to be "struggling together" in Rebekah's womb.

66 posted on 07/11/2009 1:44:10 AM PDT by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: JRochelle
People who “contribute to social deterioration” (i.e. undesirables) “can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility” — in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.

Mind boggling scary that the "kill all the useless eaters" sentiment would be here in America, as the desirable policy of a high level government official. But thats what we have today in Obama's America. More evidence of why he is an evil curse and judgement upon this nation.

67 posted on 07/11/2009 1:46:18 AM PDT by MrDem (Monthly Special: Will write OPUS's for Whiners and Crybabies for no charge.)
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To: Avoiding_Sulla
The many places on the globe where population is indeed a problem have also been where men have not been permitted the freedom to solve their own problems without some tyrant breathing down their backs.

Most of the countries in Africa and or Latin/Central America were net EXPORTERS of food when governed freely. They only became poor and famished when taken over by dictatorships of all stripes.

68 posted on 07/11/2009 1:51:55 AM PDT by MrDem (Monthly Special: Will write OPUS's for Whiners and Crybabies for no charge.)
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To: JRochelle

bttt


69 posted on 07/11/2009 2:05:44 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: truthguy
"Detroit already looks like that..."

I know. My brother lives there. By the way, their population is shrinking.

I don't blame you for appreciating space and freedom. Hell, I live here in God's country (rural WI) on 100 acres. I've worked hard to get here and I love it.

However, WI, MN and the midwest in general are very tyrannical (liberal) in comparison to Florida, for example. That despite our relatively wide open spaces and general lack of major cities.

Your earlier post seemed a bit too sympathetic with the goals of the evil authors' desires. I'll assume, though, that you merely pine for freedom and do reject the remedies discussed by the tyrants in question.

70 posted on 07/11/2009 2:09:50 AM PDT by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: truthguy
Although I must admit that 307 million (US population 2009) is way too much for the US.

The only people who think this thought live in the inner city/ metro areas. When you get out of town into the 90 percent of the rest of the continent you will see how underpopulated it really is.

71 posted on 07/11/2009 2:18:04 AM PDT by x_plus_one ("Salvation comes about though change in individual lives, not through the ending of unjust society")
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To: SunkenCiv

http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=34198

Are you still keeping The Enemies List? This dangerous creep needs to be included.


72 posted on 07/11/2009 2:33:25 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: rogue yam
You are correct rogue yam. I have too. What many don't know, though honest scientists care about, is that he has never done science. Science for John was exemplified by his bringing the fraud Amory Lovins to Berkeley as a “University Scientist.” Several in his organized research group, Energy and Environment, told me that it was common knowledge in the inner circle that John is an unabashed Marxist. The members of their “cell”, Holdren, Harte, Art Rosenfeld, Ehrlich and Ehrlich, reek arrogance, not unlike the messiah himself. They really do believe in eugenics, and can argue eloquently for the pain the rest of the idiots in the world will have to endure impose an equitable society.
73 posted on 07/11/2009 3:22:35 AM PDT by Spaulding
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To: JRochelle

btt


74 posted on 07/11/2009 3:28:40 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: Danae
"this Nation is doomed if this administration stays in office."

That's why Obama was put in office.

75 posted on 07/11/2009 3:40:52 AM PDT by ChicagahAl (Don't blame me. I voted for Sarah.)
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To: JRochelle

I read the entire zombietime.com article about Holdren yesterday, from a link at Gateway Pundit blog. I already knew that Holdren had written books with Ehrlich et al, but the scope of the reporting at zombietime amazed me.
The “Planetary Regime” bit, you know, one world government backed up by a super police force to make you think and act as the evil elites wish is pure unadulterated evil.
There are going to be plenty of sheep on the left, or even moderates who will say, “Oh, but this was written over 30 years ago, when he was such a young man” and dismiss it out of hand as the misguided approach of a young idealist. They’ll excuse it by saying “Ahhh, he’s older and wiser now, that was just youthful fantasy.”
Well, I’m afraid not, just substitute “climate change” for “overpopulation” and the fact remains that “science” has been corrupted and taken over by the hard core socialist, freedom hating nanny-staters.
There was another story out yesterday that ties in nicely with this. Pew Research conducted a poll of 2,500 “scientists”. These “scientists’ all happened to be members of AAAS (American Academy for Advancement of Science). Cripes, AAAS is a whole nother story in itself. Anyway, said poll found that the vast majority of these “scientists” (nearing 90%)believed government work and funding, i.e. mixing politics and “science” was the cats meow. Pew polled these “scientists” on what political party they voted for, or leaned towards. Shockingly (/s/), that number was overwhelmingly Democratic Party.
Now, I had read stuff about AAAS in the past that made me believe it was a left leaning organization, but yesterday I started checking them out with internet search. I got so wrapped up in what I was reading, that a couple of hours whizzed right by. That organization of “respected scientists” is pushing an agenda of climate alarmism, “human rights”, feminist sociology.....on and on and on, the total bullsh!t I found coming out of those “scientists”

To try and end this rant, or I’ll just ramble on, John Holdren is one of those “respected” AAAS “scientists”, you want a scare? Read the frigging speech he gave to AAAS at their annual meeting in January 2009.
John Holdren is an evil person. John Holdren is now the US Science “czar”. I don’t think I really understood until yesterday, the full scope of how these evil lunatics have embedded themselves into every facet of life. Media, education, government, health, science.........

This is usually said with sarcasm here on FR, but it’s humor escapes me right now............

We’re Freaking Doomed.


76 posted on 07/11/2009 3:48:47 AM PDT by jsh3180
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To: truthguy
Although I must admit that 307 million (US population 2009) is way too much for the US.

The UK has SEVEN TIMES the population density of the US. You guys practically live in a desert :0)

77 posted on 07/11/2009 4:10:42 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: truthguy
Although I must admit that 307 million (US population 2009) is way too much for the US. I remember when it crossed 200 million.

I agree with you. The infrastructure can't keep up. I remember everything being clean, safer, and empty highways in the 70s and 80s.

Now, because liberals allowed in everybody who wanted to come legally or illegally, destroying the fabric of our society, and dangling freebies like SSI in front of folks who never worked a day in their lives, we are overrun.

So after all their destruction, of course the leftists, in their never-ending "genius," want to start reducing us --- but I'm sure only a certain segment of us.

78 posted on 07/11/2009 5:10:00 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: JRochelle

Aren’t these the same fruit loops that chant, “My body, My choice?” When they start taking over I want my family to move in with a Freeper on a big ranch in the West who has LOTS of guns.


79 posted on 07/11/2009 5:37:58 AM PDT by politicalmerc (NObama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: JRochelle

Destroy the economy, make life so miserable people will want to off themselves to escape. Sounds like a plan.


80 posted on 07/11/2009 5:44:30 AM PDT by DManA
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