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Obama Health Bill: Those on Social Security - Mandatory Counseling on Asst. Suicide
Fred Thompson Show ^

Posted on 07/17/2009 3:46:14 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache

On Page 425 of Obama's health care bill, the Federal Government will require EVERYONE who is on Social Security to undergo a counseling session every 5 years with the objective being that they will explain to them just how to end their own life earlier. Yes...They are going to push SUICIDE to cut medicare spending!!! And no, I am NOT SH--ing YOU! So those of you who voted for Obama have now put your own parents in dire straights...Congratulations!

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: assistedsuicide; bho2009; bhohealthcare; cultureofdeath; deathcultivation; elderhealthcare; elderly; obamacare; rationcare; suicidecounselling; utilitarians
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To: Tennessee Nana

As far as I am concerned, this is grounds for impeachment. This is not the American way.

This is downright evil and needs to be treated as such.

We are going to have to get out of the house and stand up.

I don’t have much money. I don’t care that I don’t have much money. I do care about doing what is right. This is not right.


121 posted on 07/17/2009 5:44:33 PM PDT by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: Lazamataz
Ah, the purity of the uninformed. Counseling every 5 years, yes. But not about ways to kill yourself, which is what the interviewee implies -- or even says. Unless you are sick or in a nursing home, at which Dr. Lantos would say "Why don't you just kill yourself?"
122 posted on 07/17/2009 5:55:05 PM PDT by plangent
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To: newheart
I don’t see ‘assisted suicide.’

Either you choose not to see it, or you support it. Which is it?

123 posted on 07/17/2009 5:55:52 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: indylindy
She sees young people, her own, as wanting to kill her.

She sees better than most on this forum.

124 posted on 07/17/2009 5:56:43 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: indylindy
She sees young people, her own, as wanting to kill her.

She sees better than most on this forum.

125 posted on 07/17/2009 5:56:43 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: indylindy

James DeMint was just on Mark Levin. He said we are going to have to be a little more aggressive than in the past over the next couple of months. We will have to go to reps offices with signs and call into our reps more. He said that has more impact than we know as one call represents 1,000 people who did not call. He has a book out called “Saving Freedom” and it is a good book to get on what we must do to make a difference.


126 posted on 07/17/2009 5:57:37 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (The Taxman-Malarky Bill Is War On America!)
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To: itsahoot
Either you choose not to see it, or you support it. Which is it?

I choose to read the actual words and to understand what they say. Your accusation is reprehensible.

127 posted on 07/17/2009 6:00:35 PM PDT by newheart (Obama. We kind of underestimated the creepiness.)
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To: itsahoot
Either you choose not to see it, or you support it. Which is it?

I choose to read the actual words and to understand what they say. Your accusation is reprehensible.

128 posted on 07/17/2009 6:00:41 PM PDT by newheart (Obama. We kind of underestimated the creepiness.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Did you see the video that Reverend Manning has out? He said we are going to have to get off our asses and take to the streets to stop Obama. He said we also cannot be cute about it.

Time is running out.


129 posted on 07/17/2009 6:02:25 PM PDT by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: buccaneer81
I think it’s misleading, and that’s being generous.

Yes, especially your posts. Have you been to a hospital lately and read all the papers you have to sign. If you don't think their intent is to withhold treatment, based on some yet to be decided amortization table, then you are either a proponent or a dupe.

130 posted on 07/17/2009 6:02:51 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
James DeMint was just on Mark Levin. He said we are going to have to be a little more aggressive than in the past over the next couple of months.

I agree, but I think that before this is all over, we'll have to be a LOT more aggressive.

131 posted on 07/17/2009 6:05:13 PM PDT by meyer ( "The world is a beautiful place and worth fighting for. But not without Freedom.")
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To: indylindy

When Obama’s Acorn minions pull an ice floe up in front of your parents hose and say “climb on”, you’ll know whos’s picking on them.


132 posted on 07/17/2009 6:05:19 PM PDT by plangent
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To: markomalley
You can read for yourself what it says.

Yes, but do you have a legal precedent on what it really says? It is legalease bu77shit that will eventually do all that is feared by those of us who fall in that category. They practically intimidate demand you have a living will, most probably are intimidated to sign the hospital version. Not me, not now, not ever.

133 posted on 07/17/2009 6:09:19 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: itsahoot
Have you been to a hospital lately and read all the papers you have to sign.

Actually, yes. And if I'm brain dead, I want them to pull the plug.

134 posted on 07/17/2009 6:12:54 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
I was driving and just happened to hear that interview, inspiring.

America must WAKE UP!

135 posted on 07/17/2009 6:15:53 PM PDT by califamily4W (Freedom!)
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To: califamily4W

Ask your congressman


136 posted on 07/17/2009 6:17:42 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (An oath to a liar is no oath at all)
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To: My Favorite Headache

bttt


137 posted on 07/17/2009 6:21:09 PM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: Lazamataz; xzins; 1000 silverlings; HarleyD; wmfights; Alex Murphy; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; ...
It's looking more and more like Nazi Germany, with Lieutenants and henchmen recreating that era's evil. Soon, we will have the snappy uniforms. We are witnessing the Nazification of America.

Yep. Their final solution to the inconvenient baby boomers is to disarm us; confiscate our homes and earnings; and then push us in a ditch.

138 posted on 07/17/2009 6:21:15 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
My wife and I assumed that all four of us were pretty much on the same page about the kind of care we would like to receive if we became seriously ill and were unable to make our own decisions.

Very progressive of you.

And this is what I think Thompson misunderstands: advance medical directives increase your control over your medical care.

Oh that stupid old attorney and former Senator, just can't seem to understand legislation, as it is written.

139 posted on 07/17/2009 6:24:41 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Sent to many Senators:

Please read my letter to my family and friends:

Dear One and All:

This is a mass mailing and if you NEVER want to hear from me again, then email me back and tell me so because I am emailing to nearly everyone in my Address Book, because I think this topic is of utmost importance to us all.

I’ve listened to this interview and made a few notes below. IF you agree, then let your Congress people know that you agree. But if you don’t agree, call, snail mail, email your Congress members and tell them so. And you just might want to pass this around to any of your “elderly” friends to read so that they can listen to the interview and do their own research.

This is the reason Obama wants to get this Health Care bill passed before anyone has the opportunity to read it.

Betsy McCaughey Interview Patient Advocate and Founder of the Committee to Reduce Infection Deaths and a former lieutenant governor of New York State.

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Health Care Bill Page 16, 17 states you CANNOT keep your current health care, you will be forced to buy into a low grade HMO that limits specialists and tests. And the cost will be more for less medical coverage. (This is explained right at the end of the interview.)

The Health Care Bill is half paid for with a 5 Hundred Billion Dollar CUT in health care benefits and services for seniors. They are cutting patient care. How? Keep listening . . . by denying care to the elderly based on “comparative effectiveness treatment” or by taking the cost of treatment and dividing it by number of years patient is likely to benefit. (You might want to meditate on that a while if you’re over age fifty.)

On Page 425 of Obama’s health care bill, the Congress will make it MANDATORY require EVERYONE who is on Social Security to undergo a counseling session every 5 years with the objective being that they will explain to them just how to end their own life earlier. How to to decline nutrition, to decline hydration, or go into hospice care for medicare recipients.

If an elderly person gets sick between these five year counseling periods, such as cancer, you must have these counseling sessions again, in order to do what is in your family’s or society’s best interest and cut your life short.

In Feb, slipped in to The Stimulus Bill was something called “comparative effectiveness research” which is a code for denying care based on a patient’s birth date. Cost of treatment divided by number of years patient is likely to benefit. Age related treatment is usually denied because they have too few years left. (Such as Macular Degeneration, Alzheimers, Osteoporosis.)

THE DIRTY LITTLE SECRET: The Elderly are going to be especially hit by a Democratic Party that is always trying to scare people about their Social Security benefits. When George Bush was accused of cutting Medicare, they went nuts. This is the biggest crime on the backs of doctors, hospitals and the elderly people in the history of this Country.

An Example of How This Works: in 2006, the British National Health Service issued an edict using “comparative effectiveness research” stating “elderly people with macular degeneration could not get a new drug to save the vision in one eye until the vision in the other eye has been lost because that was the “cost effective way of doing it.”

This is where the money is. When Barack Obama talks about saving money “in the long run” where do you think he’s going to get those savings? By shortening your father’s or mother’s life. You can’t pay for the treatment for your parents yourself.

In the bill: No one can get more health care by paying for it themselves than anyone else because it would be ‘unequal treatment.’

The president’s Health Advisor Dr Ezekiel Emanuel (Rahm’s brother) says People who have incurable/irreversable illnesses should not be given direct health services. Such as denying basic health care services to a person with dementia. (or a child with cerebral palsy, etc) This will hit the elderly the most.

Betsy’s website: http://www.DefendYourHealthCare.us/
(why that didn’t highlight I don’t know)

Listen again:
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This is making me physically sick. I have 86 and 87 year old parents and I myself and turning 65 in a few months. I have NO intention of allowing MR Obama to kill my parents with his Euthanasia-Based Health Care.

Me

I have asked Senator McConnell to call a news conference with ALL those in Congress who are against this Health Care Bill. READ just those pages in the News Conference. DEMAND that Congress be given time to read all the bills proposed by the President.

This Train Wreck is OUR Country. What are YOU going to do about stopping this insanity? We are headed down a path similar to Hitler’s Germany, if you remember your History.

MyName, Retired and NOT planning to allow anyone to tell me when I must die “for the good of society.”


140 posted on 07/17/2009 6:27:15 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (I believe in CHOICE: Let the Fetus decide whether to be born or to spontaneously abort. FETAL CHOICE)
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