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1 posted on 08/09/2009 11:12:40 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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EZEKIEL EMANUEL AND THE OBAMA CARE FINAL SOLUTION

(Must Read - Sick, eugenics quotes of Emanuel)

2 posted on 08/09/2009 11:14:45 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: stormer

This is the story I referenced on the other health care thread.


3 posted on 08/09/2009 11:16:31 AM PDT by Dianna (Obama Barbie: Governing is hard.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Oregon has taxpayer funded medical care for individuals not otherwise insured.

The fund has only limited financing available - decisions have to be made about who will receive what kinds of treatment.

Wagner had advanced lung cancer, which become resistant to previous chemotherapy, paid for by the same program.

Tarceva was expected by her doctor to extend her life for four to six months.

On the basis of pre-established criteria, it was determined that the provision of Tarceva was not “cost-effective” in the sense that the same amount of money would produce a greater aggregate improvement in the the quality of life for other patients.

On the basis of the same criteria, it was determined that the fund would pay for hospice care, or for physician-assisted suicide, an option which is legal in Oregon, in which is chosen by around 50 people a year.

If the voters of Oregon has wanted to provide unlimited life extending care to recipients of the fund, they could have voted in representatives ready to raise taxes to provide the funds to do so.

They don’t, and I doubt that many readers here would vote to be taxed to supply such care on an unlimited basis either.

This is how it works: unless we are willing to pay taxes to provide such care on a unlimited basis, we can disagree with the criteria used to perform the rationing, but it’s pretty hard to argue that rationing itself is unreasonable.


4 posted on 08/09/2009 11:19:00 AM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas
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"Our Health Death Panels mean that WE live.
Death to the lame, the handicapped and the old -- unless they are OUR families."

"Mass. Pushes Rationing to Control Universal Healthcare Costs (RomneyCare)
A 10-member Massachusetts state healthcare advisory board unanimously recommended
that the state begin rationing healthcare to keep the state’s marquee universal health care program afloat financially.

The July 16 recommendations, the Boston Globe explained, would result in a situation where “patients could find it harder to get procedures they want but are of questionable benefit if doctors are operating within a budget.
And they might find it more difficult to get care wherever they want, if primary doctors push to keep patients within their accountable care organization.”
The Globe stressed that the recommendations would “dramatically change how doctors and hospitals are paid, essentially putting providers on a budget as a way to control exploding healthcare costs and improve the quality of care.”
"Budget" is a more politically acceptable word for rationing.
The Globe also noted that “consumer advocates said patients are going to have to be educated about the new system.” Yes, apparently they will have to get used to having their healthcare rationed.


5 posted on 08/09/2009 11:19:24 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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Coming soon to every community under obammacare! Except for those who have the right political connections. This would never happen to one of obamma’s kin!


6 posted on 08/09/2009 11:19:56 AM PDT by rawhide
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Barbara was no longer a patient; she had become a "negative economic unit."
Can't be stressed strongly enough where our government will take us in the health (death) care field if they are doing this in Oregon.
7 posted on 08/09/2009 11:21:59 AM PDT by Syncro
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State plan offered to pay for either hospice care or physician-assisted suicide

Didn't Kevorkian go to jail for that?

9 posted on 08/09/2009 11:23:17 AM PDT by Defiant (Soetoroastrianism: Thus Spoke Barrythustra.)
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This mentality carries over into practice. Peer recognition goes to the most thorough and aggressive physicians. The prudent physician is not deemed particularly competent, but rather inadequate. This culture is further reinforced by a unique understanding of professional obligations, specifically, the Hippocratic Oath's admonition to "use my power to help the sick to the best of my ability and judgment" as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of cost or effect on others.


So there you have it, right from one of Obama's top health advisors, Ezekial Emanuel, bro of the WH Chief of Staff. The problem with health care today is the Hippocratic Oath and the vile notion that the physician's duty is to the patient!

Let us hope that while Congress is deforming health care, it abolishes this outrageous concept.

/sarc
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Quote from Emanuel, Ezekial J and Fuchs, Victor R. The Perfect Storm of Overutilization. JAMA 299: 2789-91, 2008 (June 18).

10 posted on 08/09/2009 11:26:54 AM PDT by freespirited (The Surgeon General has determined that Harry and Louise are dangerous to your health.)
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‘...Oregon’s state...did not feel it was “cost-effective.”’

So how does this kind of thinking apply in other areas, either in Oregon or nationally under ObamaCare?

For instance the Bureau of Corrections.

If a convict doing life without parole needs health care will it be deemed “cost-effective” to give it too him? Or will it be “cost-effective” to just give him pain meds (or suicide assistance) and let him die early?

What if he's only doing a twenty year stretch?

I know this twists things a little, but if they are concerned with what is “cost-effective”, is it “cost-effective” to let someone stay on death row for twenty years of appeals before before the execution? And veering back to health care, will someone on death row be eligible for suicide assistance?

Where else will they take this “cost-effective” mind set?

The above questions are rhetorical.

19 posted on 08/09/2009 12:34:27 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: ValerieTexas; justiceseeker93; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...
When Barbara's lung cancer reappeared during the spring of 2008 her oncologist recommended aggressive treatment with Tarceva, a new chemotherapy. However, Oregon's state run health plan denied the potentially life altering drug because they did not feel it was "cost-effective." Instead, the State plan offered to pay for either hospice care or physician-assisted suicide... Oregon state officials controlled the process of healthcare decision-making -- not Barbara and her physician. Chemotherapy would cost the state $4,000 every month she remained alive; the drugs for physician-assisted suicide held a one-time expense of less than $100.
But don't worry -- you still have physician choice. Quitcher bitchin.
32 posted on 08/09/2009 6:04:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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