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Free speech based on lies is not a constitutional guarantee (Angry mobs/birthers have no rights)
The Roseburg News-Review ^ | August 9, 2009 | Barrett Rainey

Posted on 08/09/2009 7:42:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

For over half a century, I've been a strong believer in, and an ardent practitioner of, first amendment protection of freedom of speech. Even when I don't like or agree with some of the speech.

But “freedom of speech” is not “freedom to lie,” not “freedom to distort” nor “freedom to deliberately frighten.” Thus, two items in the news these days make me boil right down to the soles of my feet!

The first is the “kill granny” crazies deliberately lying about end-of-life discussions with your doctor as the subject appears in one of the five health care overhaul bills being considered in the congress. The scurrilous, outright lies appearing on the Internet and shoveled along by right wing radio make a mockery of real free speech.

The only ... I repeat ... the only “end of life” portion of any of this legislation deals with physician billing under Medicare for conferring with patients when patients request such counseling. The only issue being discussed is whether the physician can bill Medicare for such counseling more than twice in a five-year period. Period!

And, again, there are five bills on the table, only one of which will be selected for a final House vote. The subject of such counseling may ... or may not ... be a part of it.

But if you listen to the gaseous Limbaugh or the flatulent Larson, Reagan, Beck and others, the government is trying to force suicide on the elderly to hold down health care costs! With their approval at best ... and their leadership at worst ... thousands and thousands of seniors are being needlessly scared. Think not? Talk to AARP offices coast to coast. Talk to some doctors. Call your congressman.

The issue of end-of-life care should really be on the table because it is in our last days we cost so much to keep alive. Those final months, weeks or even days can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to simply hold off the inevitable another day or two. Or a few hours.

People in Oregon should be smarter in this matter than many Americans because we've been through this subject many times. Our “assisted suicide” law already addresses end-of-life decisions for all sorts of reasons: comfort, personal control, escape from endless pain and suffering, draining family resources, etc.

The lying “kill granny” voices come mostly from that terribly small minority of those scared of government in all its forms and who unreasonably believe they can live without it or the freely and democratically adopted laws we need to survive as a nation.

But there are other voices. The nut broadcasters who give it both air time and, thus, credence. Lying ... intentionally lying ... is NOT a first amendment guarantee!

The second item deals with the “birthers.” Many of these voices come from the same group as the first item and they are wrong again.

President Obama is a U.S. citizen. A birth certificate copy issued by the state of Hawaii is available online. Hawaii's largest newspaper carried an Aug. 4, 1961, birth announcement as did three others. Congress certified the election and confirmed him. End of non-issue.

To offer credence in any way, no matter how small, to those who spout this lie should be beneath members of congress. But, no. Ten of them are sponsoring a bill to require proof of citizenship before filing for candidacy for public office.

“Not connected,” they say. “Road apples,” I say. The bill will never see the light of day but they're trying.

Call this garbage what it really is: racism. Other national political figures have been born outside the continental United States. John McCain, for example, was born in the Panama Canal Zone on a military base. Not even a whisper of challenge to him or any of the others. But they were all Caucasian.

Freedom of speech is a marvelous thing. It may be the most important of the amendments. Even when that speech has been offensive or far from our own individual views and beliefs, it has been a strong glue holding our democracy together for the world to see and envy.

But freedom to obfuscate, distort, mislead, attack without basis or outright lie: No! Never!

We are living in dangerous economic and life-changing times. We are not just being challenged to get through all this. We are actually facing living our lives under new conditions with many institutions changed completely from what we have known.

These two subjects should be an effrontery to Democrats, Republicans, independents and even non-voters. As Americans first, we need to reaffirm the right to speak freely but to speak the truth.

Neither of these lies meets that test.

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Barrett Rainey is a semi-retired journalist. He can be reached at 444 N.E. Winchester, PMB 6-C, Roseburg, OR 97470.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aads; agenda; angrymob; birthers; certifigate; democrats; healthcare; liberalfascism; obamacare; socializedmedicine; talkradio; townhall; townhalls
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One good thing about absolute Democratic control of Congress and the White House is that they're showing their true colors for all to see, since they think the peasants won't be able to stand up to them or stop them. This type of article, Obama whistling up ACORN and the Union thugs, statements by Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid are all good examples of this.
1 posted on 08/09/2009 7:42:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Let’s duct tape Bammy’s mouth shut then.


2 posted on 08/09/2009 7:44:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat Party: a criminal organization masquerading as a political party)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

But what is a lie?


3 posted on 08/09/2009 7:44:21 PM PDT by Richard from IL
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Barrett needs to send a copy of this to his butt buddy, Obama. First Amendment or not, Americans have had it with all the lies.


4 posted on 08/09/2009 7:44:58 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Proud member of "The Angry Mob" Est. April 19, 1775)
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To: Richard from IL

If Obama is lying, can we then shut him up?


5 posted on 08/09/2009 7:45:01 PM PDT by Richard from IL
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

the gaseous Limbaugh or the flatulent Larson, Reagan, Beck

or the vomitous Rainey (author)


6 posted on 08/09/2009 7:45:13 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Don 't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The kill granny message is a bit of a stretch but it’s not like democrats never did exactly the same thing to win.


7 posted on 08/09/2009 7:45:24 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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But “freedom of speech” is not “freedom to lie,” not “freedom to distort” nor “freedom to deliberately frighten.”

Did this person by any chance get upset when the loony left lied daily about Bush?

8 posted on 08/09/2009 7:45:52 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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But “freedom of speech” is not “freedom to lie,” not “freedom to distort” nor “freedom to deliberately frighten.” Thus, two items in the news these days make me boil right down to the soles of my feet!

Ah yes. The classic "But"-line. Perhaps the author is volunteering to be Big Brother's First Amendment Czar. These people are such foul hypocrites on so many levels.

9 posted on 08/09/2009 7:46:20 PM PDT by kromike
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Resident Obama will determine what’s truth and what’s lie...and when you get to speak.


10 posted on 08/09/2009 7:50:13 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (No prisoners. No mercy. 2010 awaits.....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Too labor intensive to dissect this blivet. Call it what it is, 10 lbs of horseshiite in a 5 lb bag.


11 posted on 08/09/2009 7:52:24 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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“The issue of end-of-life care should really be on the table because it is in our last days we cost so much to keep alive. Those final months, weeks or even days can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to simply hold off the inevitable another day or two. Or a few hours.”

once Obama bankrupts the entire health care industry and rations everything it will be a real problem.


12 posted on 08/09/2009 7:53:06 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Fiscal conservatism without social conservatism is dead.)
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Mr. Rainey needs to do some homework:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3200:

13 posted on 08/09/2009 7:53:12 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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Killgranny is not a stretch. Rationed health care demands it. Ok, its killgrandpa too, and anyone who is indefinitely disabled or sick. Witholding health care IS euthanasia.


14 posted on 08/09/2009 7:55:17 PM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For leftists, any excuse is adequate to justify the silencing of their opponents.


15 posted on 08/09/2009 7:55:25 PM PDT by Interesting Times (For the truth about "swift boating" see ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: Richard from IL
It depends what the meaning of is is.

"Barrett Rainey is a semi-retired journalist."

But a full time liar. The House Bill has Mandadory end of life conseling. What could they be conseling about? What did Obama himself say? X% of the money is spent in the last year of life, perhaps granny would be better off taking the pain pill. (Obviously, not the exact quote).

So, killing Grams wasn't something the wingnuts invented, it's implied in the bill and implied in what Obama himself said.

I guess we are required to believe the Official Truth.

16 posted on 08/09/2009 7:57:07 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Are they insane, stupid or just evil?)
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“Call this what it is...RACISM.”

Gimme a break you moron-—THE RACE CARD IS GETTING OLD.


17 posted on 08/09/2009 7:58:23 PM PDT by MountainWoman
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To: MountainWoman

He’s so brazen, he lists his address at the end of the article.


18 posted on 08/09/2009 8:01:49 PM PDT by ak267
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

From what I see, most of the people asking questions at the Townhall meetings seem to know more about what is in the Healthcare bill than do the Congressional Representatives speaking at the meetings.

The Representatives are conversant in their broad talking points but when faced with a specific question or challange they go Deer-In-The-Headlights and then just deny there is anything undesireable in the bill.

That has a lot to do with people raising their voices to be heard - they are tired of being lied to and being brushed off with democrat talking points.


19 posted on 08/09/2009 8:02:26 PM PDT by Iron Munro (You can't kill the beast while sucking at its teat - Claire Wolfe)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yet another fake jew, nazi trying to use communist weasel words to take aw3ay other peoples rights. “because it’s what’s best for them”.


20 posted on 08/09/2009 8:03:33 PM PDT by DGHoodini (Iran Azadi!)
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