[boxerblues]

videos at link

http://www.newsnet5.com/video/20378750/index.html

http://www.newsnet5.com/video/20378082/index.html

[airborne]

"Democrats packed the Ford Auditorium at Case Western Reserve University to show their support for Fudge..."

"Dems packed Fudge". Sorry, I just thought it funny.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Oh, Fudge!

[nathanbedford]

Let me ask a couple of theoretical questions.

We have the example in these videos of the police ejecting citizens from an open town meeting conducted on public property. It is not clear to me whether the ejection was done at the instance of the congresswoman or on the policeman's own initiative.

My question is, will she get to control free speech in such a forum? Are these not citizens exercising a constitutional right to free speech, and right of assembly, and petition of their government and redress of grievances? Of course they were. They were doing so in a public building. Police appeared not to be municipal police but university police. I presume the university police are operating under some mandate from the state legislature and have some degree of police powers, more or less than the police powers normally to be exercised by ordinary municipal police force. Are they constitutionally or legislatively mandated police or they merely university rent-a-cops? Have they been properly trained?

The citizens were ejected for making statements before the question and answer period. Why would the police eject a person for such conduct? Were they operating under instructions from the congresswoman? From the University? From their own sense of decorum? What are the rules?

It seems to me that we are by default permitting the Arlen Specters of this world to define our free speech when they can order the police to enforce their own notions of decorum. If it is the police alone who are making these judgments, should they not exercise a bias in favor of citizens rights? Or is decoram more important?

If anyone has any case law or precedent I would be happy to be educated.

[DGHoodini]

Yet another DemoNazi fascist bitch. I wonder what they’ll going to do, when her constituents, (the ones that actually vote) realise, *thay* are among those who are near the top of the list of people this DemoGoon DeathCare Act, will deny treatments to?

[meyer]

Case Western Reserve University police said two opponents of reform were ejected for being disorderly.

The Greenies nabbed two more.

[freekitty]

First mistake Fudge made was saying this is her meeting. It is not her meeting. It is the peoples meeting. She is an elected official. Remember her name because so you can vote her out or recall her. She is useless as an elected official and should be sent packing.

When voting new people in be sure to vet them and only vote for strong American candidates.

[Las Vegas Dave]

UPDATED 11:18 P.M

. CLEVELAND, Ohio — Police removed two men from U.S. Rep. Marcia Fudge's congressional district public forum Wednesday at Case Western Reserve University after the men heckled the congresswoman about health-care reform.

About an hour into the meeting, a man shouted that the proposed bill would lead to killing old people, apparently referencing a claim that the health-care act would lead to "death panels" relegating some people to die because caring for them is too expensive. A few minutes later, a second man created an outburst and also was removed.

Fudge, a Warrensville Heights Democrat, told the audience she doesn't mind debate, but, she said, "This is still my meeting. I will be respectful of you, and you will be respectful of me."

After the two men were removed, a few opponents of health-care reform continued to boo her remarks. Police twice approached those who spoke up, but did not remove anyone else.

Still, the disruption at Fudge's meeting was tame compared to other incidents, including in-your-face shouting matches, that have erupted across the nation as Congress members have held public meetings stumping for President Barack Obama's drive to reform health care.

Except for the two hecklers, Fudge's two-hour meeting remained orderly. A handful of the more than 450 in the audience occasionally booed or called out as most in attendance applauded.

In other parts of the state on Wednesday, U.S. Rep. Steve LaTourette and U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown also held public meetings. But there were no significant disruptions and no one was ejected.

It's unclear what happened to the two men. Afterwards, University Circle Police and CWRU police said that no one was removed from the meeting, although they acknowledged that many were turned away after the auditorium was filled to capacity.

After introductory speakers and handing out awards, Fudge spoke for 30 minutes, highlighting the federal dollars Congress has directed to Northeast Ohio this year. She also talked about health-care reform. She then spent nearly 45 minutes answering questions, most of which were about health care.

LaTourette's public meeting was at a senior center in Eastlake. He made no secret of his distaste for the health-care proposals Congress was mulling.

The Bainbridge Township Republican and a receptive audience of about 75 people talked about the same fears and rumors that have been debated throughout the nation this summer -- losing access to doctors and being denied care.

He said illegal immigrants make up a large portion of the uninsured and he doesn't think they should get coverage. He also said that the uninsured include young people who simply don't avail themselves of health insurance.

He appeared sympathetic to the plight of an elderly woman who said she can't keep up with costs, especially after receiving a $600 bill from a company that provides managed-care services for Medicare and Medicaid. She said she lives on $504 monthly in Social Security benefits.

"This is a wonderful, generous country and those that for whatever reason are without, we have to figure out how to get them into the umbrella," LaTourette said.

In Columbus, Brown hosted a lively two-hour health-care forum at Ohio State University Medical Center.

About 200 people crowded into a conference room while others were shuttled to a pair of overflow rooms where sound was piped in.

Outside, police watched as dozens more waved signs and engaged in sidewalk debates.

Inside, despite some heckling and heated discussion among audience members, Brown managed to focus on the costs and impact of health-care legislation.

Those in the audience seemed about evenly split between supporters and opponents of the working health-care reform proposals.

Mike Neutzling, 56, a nurse at the Ohio State Medical Center, got a burst of applause by saying that the legislation was "classic overreaching."

"The whole concept of limited government is being tossed out the window," he said. "When you have unlimited government, you have unlimited tyranny."

Brown accused insurance companies of giving people bad information about the legislation and telling them they will lose their private coverage.

"Doing nothing is unacceptable," Brown said. "If we don't do anything, then we might see premiums double and you may not be able to afford coverage five years from now."

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[chadwimc]

“...Hoping there would be strength in numbers, Democrats packed the Ford Auditorium at Case Western Reserve University to show their support for Fudge and the president's plan...”

So...The Cleveland democrats are all “Fudge” packers now? Doesn't surprise me a bit...

[IbJensen]

Appropriate name for a damned Democrap: FUDGE!

[MIchaelTArchangel]

Isn’t this the nitwit who is dating George Packer and wants them to be known as Marge and George Fudge-Packer after the nuptials?

[olezip]

"We have been trying to fix health care for more than 60 years. And we are going to fix it," Fudge said.

Government intervention has been undermining health care in this country for 60 years. Failed policy after failed policy yielded nothing but failure and increased costs.

As far as I can tell, thanks to government intervention, our health care premiums have been increased to pay for mental health disorders, high risk living (drinking, taking drugs, smoking, AIDS), sex change operations, cosmetic surgery, and other conditions associated with bad judgement, low intelligence, and lack of personal responsibility.

Our warped and twisted health care system, thanks to trail lawyers like John Edwards, now has overkill on testing and other unnecessary procedures to protect the care givers from lawsuits. Just what is Fudge going to fix? I am sure that Fudge is good at calling names, and character assassination but not at supporting assertions; problem: disordered mind.

It was better 60 years ago when we could pay as we go, and just have "hospitalization" insurance to cover accidents, appendicitus, etc. All of the extra coverages were imposed by the government, and its minions, like trail lawyers. And Fudge says we need more incompetence and failure!

[reaganbooster]

Hoping there would be strength in numbers, Democrats packed the Ford Auditorium at Case Western Reserve University to show their support for Fudge and the president’s plan.

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I guess that makes her a “Fudge packer.”

[dalebert]

its not just healthcare...its all of it.

[Jabba the Nutt]

Fudge responded, "Well, I don't know how many people who are not Americans that are in that number. I don't know that answer."

BS. Answer the question: Is the plan going to cover non-American citizens, including those here illegally?

Of course, her side-stepping non-answer is an answer: Yes, she wants illegals covered.

[Jabba the Nutt]

I'd like to have started a chant at this meeting: Listen to us! Listen to us!

You get 364 days a year to talk, you can listen for one day. How'd she vote on Kneecap and Tax?

[sport]

The slaves are not allowed to question their masters.

[DejaJude]

Ah, Fudge!