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Abu Ghraib Torture Was "Like Nothing" (Lynndie England Unrepentant)
CBS News ^ | August 13, 2009

Posted on 08/14/2009 3:24:00 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Five years after the infamous Abu Ghraib torture photos came to light, Lynndie England says the government's "softening up tactics" are acceptable ways to get information from prisoners.

In an interview with the BBC, England defends herself and fellow soldiers who posed Iraqi prisoners in degrading positions for photographs in 2004.

"Compared to what they do to us, that's like nothing," England says in the BBC video, referring to instances where Americans were decapitated, burned, dragged through the streets or hung from a bridge by insurgents. She likens the physical degradation that appears in the Abu Ghraib photos to the kinds of hazing that go on in American colleges and boot camps.

(AP/Washington Post) "Similar humiliation tactics and physical exertion, you know, everybody goes through that stuff in boot camp in the military," she says.

England, whose biography was published in May, has popped up in the media several times in recent months. In June, she admitted to the Associated Press that she made some bad decisions, but says she was only following orders.

"We were just pawns," she told AP. "People were just playing us."

In April, the government released Bush administration documents sanctioning "enhanced interrogation techniques," causing some to sympathize with England's claim. But Christopher Graveline, who prosecuted England, says the Iraqis in the Abu Ghraib photos were common criminals, not terrorists.

"The idea that she and her colleagues were working somehow for military intelligence is not supported by fact," he says.

Today, England spends most of her days in seclusion, rarely leaving her West Virginia house except for short trips to the grocery store. She suffers from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, depression and anxiety and worries most about being a good mother to her 4-year-old son Carter, whose father, Charles Graner, took the Abu Ghraib photos.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abughraib; iraq; torture
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US woman soldier unrepentant over Abu Ghraib (BBC Video Interview)
1 posted on 08/14/2009 3:24:02 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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Her life is trashed. She doesn’t care.


2 posted on 08/14/2009 3:26:52 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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“Lynndie England says the government’s “softening up tactics” are acceptable ways...”

OH! It was the *government* that I saw in those pictures.


3 posted on 08/14/2009 3:28:12 PM PDT by james500
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College can be worse. She was having an affair with one of the male participants who was the ringleader. No senior officers encouraged it or had knowledge of it. The Left grabbed a chance to distort the facts. Much worse happens everyday in the military and they take care of it.

She's right, they do much worse to us. It doesn't excuse it but they aren't victims.

4 posted on 08/14/2009 3:28:15 PM PDT by FTJM
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From what I saw reported, it was more like frat house antics and nothing close to “torture”.


5 posted on 08/14/2009 3:28:38 PM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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Trash like her has no business running a prison, much less of the Military. The purpose is detainment and interrogation, not gratifying perverted the sexual fantasies of trashy "guards".

Cue the folks who will defend lil' Lynndie in every imaginable way... *shrugs*

6 posted on 08/14/2009 3:29:11 PM PDT by SolidWood (Sarah Palin: "Only dead fish go with the flow!")
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right around the time this all came to light Discovery or a similar channel came out with a new documentary regarding interrogation techniques. They played an intro that stated that all of the show had been shot and edited prior to the Abu-Ghraid incident. I never saw it again.

In a matter of fact way, it was presented that, yes, it is acceptable to use humiliation, sexual degradation, fear, etc, to soften up a prisoner.

So I have little doubt that pranks such as she and her friend engaged in were not only tolerated but encouraged. where they went wrong was in photographing their fun.

8 posted on 08/14/2009 3:35:46 PM PDT by jdub (A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)
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They shouldn’t have been in charge of that prison but crap happens in war. She deserved to be punished but the left is the only reason we know who she is.

What she did was stupid, what the media and certain govt officials by using these pictures to hurt America was treason.


9 posted on 08/14/2009 3:36:34 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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... but says she was only following orders.

Ah, the good old Nuremberg Defense.

10 posted on 08/14/2009 3:36:46 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Damn the trolls (even those within our ranks). Full speed ahead. ~ Þ)
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The lefties who screamed the loudest went home and did far worse to their “partners” and enjoyed it.


12 posted on 08/14/2009 3:38:12 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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I’m still trying to reconcile “reclusive” with “biography published in May”.


13 posted on 08/14/2009 3:43:07 PM PDT by trimom
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... but says she was only following orders/Ah, the good old Nuremberg Defense.

Wasn't General Janet TIG Karpinsky, Obama supporter, in charge of that prison?

14 posted on 08/14/2009 3:46:41 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs...nothing more than Bald Haired Hippies!)
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Well, Abu Ghraib caused a lot of trouble for us, although I'd say that the left-wing press and leakers were chiefly to blame.

"Compared to what they do to us, that's like nothing," England says in the BBC video, referring to instances where Americans were decapitated, burned, dragged through the streets or hung from a bridge by insurgents. She likens the physical degradation that appears in the Abu Ghraib photos to the kinds of hazing that go on in American colleges and boot camps.

Well, as a matter of fact, she's absolutely right. I couldn't put it better myself. Would you rather have panties put on your head, or be "decapitated, burned, dragged through the streets or hung from a bridge"? I don't think most of us would hesitate which option to choose.

Is the BBC unable to distinguish between the comparative severity of these modes of torture and, perhaps, admit that Muslim terrorists are meaner than American soldiers, even rather foolish ones?

15 posted on 08/14/2009 3:48:49 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Former Abu Ghraib Brigadier General, Janis Karpinski, is an endorser of left-wing extremist movement

I was going to make that a photo link, but you seem like a nice person, so I'll spare you.

16 posted on 08/14/2009 4:03:43 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Damn the trolls (even those within our ranks). Full speed ahead. ~ Þ)
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+1000


17 posted on 08/14/2009 4:21:34 PM PDT by PIF
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She ruined General Ricardo Sanchez’s career which I will never forgive or forget.


18 posted on 08/14/2009 4:23:25 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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P.S.

I also remember reading at the time that this Lynndie has quite a low IQ.


19 posted on 08/14/2009 4:46:46 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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***She suffers from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, ****

probably because of the jerks in the MSM.


20 posted on 08/14/2009 4:47:32 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Tar and feather the sons of bi#ches! Ride them out of town on a rail!)
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