Posted on 08/27/2009 1:04:35 PM PDT by TomTGradeczek
I read the title of this thread.......and lol’d.
Me thinks you are a big fat liar living in your mothers basement wishing you could venture outside without the mean little kids laughing at your zits and b.o.
I'll hazard a guess, Tom. It's because it was twice as long as this one and with no more content. It's "Free Republic," by the way.
Uhm. Wrong. I lived in Scandinavia, where socialized medicine is supposedly more advanced than in other places, because of smaller populations etc. And it still sucked...like waiting for two years for a hernia operation, or being sent to the private hospital for diagnostics because the government hospital’s equipment is too outdated to x-ray an ankle. And all that with a 56% income tax rate.
Nooo thanks.
You must be right...people in Buffalo, Seattle and Detroit just FLOCK to Canada for health care.
Nice to see REAL trolls getting whacked!
Nope, not amazing at all. The libtards have no principles, therefore their political agenda can blow in the wind and land wherever it feels good for them.
Hey Tom, Why do you support a system that would take from me my FREEDOM TO CHOOSE? If you want a government run health care system just go back to where they have one.
My way requires no force of government and yours does. In the words of one of the good things to come out of Canada: “I will choose free will” Rush, Exit Stage Left album.
You are missing the whole point of WE DO NOT WANT THE GOVERNMENT to run everything. It is not the role of government to do these things. Glad you have enjoyed socialized medicine all these years, but we did NOT CHOOSE IT and we DO NOT WANT IT.
Astroturf Tom has posted, I see.
I love the new title! I’m also thrilled to have been IB4Z!
See ya, its miller time!
In any case, my son got about 6 years worth of care at that hospital. The only time he was actually seen in the pediatric clinic were scheduled well-child visits. Appointments in the peds clinic were so limited and demand was so high, that EVERY sick visit or injury my son had was taken care of in the ER. Typically, we would go either very late in the evening or very early in the morning as any other time involved a several hour wait.
My son was regularly in the ER for asthma attacks. He was never diagnosed with asthma. He was never prescribed preventative medications. No, we just had round after round of ER breathing treatments and course after course of steroids. The pediatricians wouldn't make the diagnosis because they had not treated him for asthma and the ER docs wouldn't make the determination because they were not pediatricians.
After my husband got out of the Navy, it took 2 visits to the pediatrician for breathing treatments before my son was diagnosed with asthma. He was immediately prescribed an inhaler. Within a year, the pediatrician had enough information to determine that the asthma was a winter/spring problem and prescribed an additional preventative during that time of year.
Hey, original poster! BITE ME.
I can't help but wonder how many deserving veterans were kept out of treatment because sots like this were so adept at working the system.
And we're supposed to believe that converting this to a nationwide system will somehow be an improvement?
Even if all you say is true, the accidents you describe happened early in the life of the Canadian system. When a socialized program starts, the doctors are stuck, and it looks pretty good to the patients. Then the shortages start, because medicine becomes such a crummy career. Anecdotally, Canada is there now, and so is the UK.
It always feels good at first when you eat the seed corn, but when its gone, there’s bigger problems than you started with. With socialized medicine, you will consume the invested capital of the doctors, who footed the bill for their training under the old system, you will consume the invested capital of the pharmaceutical companies, whose investments in research will no longer be replaced. In say, 20 years, the medical system will be damaged to an extent that will yield dramatic shortages and reduced quality, and take the better part of a generation to fix.
You of course know that the drug companies can discount drugs sold in Canada because its a small market; right next door we pay full price. We're a large enough market and they're a small enough market that it all works out.
If all Americans were to start buying their medications through Canada, the drug companies would simply eliminate the Canadian discount. The Canadians know this, and have enacted laws to prevent any large scale transshipping of medicines.
I don't think anyone believes our medical system is perfect, but again, the Canadian system works in part because we're right next door. If they get on a 13 month waiting list for prenatal surgery, of if they've got 6 months to live and they're on a 15 month waiting list for some necessary treatment, they always have the choice of popping over to Minnesota for treatment.
Once we've gone 100% public, the door closes on that option for them.
Our private health and believe it or not our public health already interferes in medical decisions, dictating what treatments will be authorized for a given patient. The system is still somewhat porous, though, if you are willing to spend some of your own money, if you have the choice to go VA versus medicare versus private insurance, if you have a doctor who is willing and knows how to game the system.
Once the whole system is unified, however, that "porosity" closes and you get what you get.
The only options will be for those with money to go to private clinics that will be springing up along the Mexican border and in the Bahamas no doubt. There are people who already cross the border to clinics, and that will increase multifold. In other words, the flaws and defects in our current system will get worse, not better, under a unified public system. I have seen horror stories in the current system but I don't see anything in the new system that improves on that, on the contrary, the logic that leads to the nightmare scenarios currently is built into the very heart of Obama's system. It gets worse, not better.
Greatest thread name change ever. ROTFL
Yep, probably at $12 an hour of stimulus money.
The moochers will get theirs, sooner rather than later.
The first thing to understand is that you cannot use your single experiences to provide illustrations for the whole. It is flawed thinking at its worst.
Say you had fantastic experiences, great, good for you. That doesn’t mean a thing if 700 other people died waiting for care.
I could post that I have had nothing but private care my whole life as well as my family and we are thrilled with the treatment we received. Does that now cancel out your reasoning altogether? By your logic, yes.
So, while you may have an opinion based on your personal experience, it means nothing to anyone but you.
If you want to examine the larger issue and deal with it rationally, try again.
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