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Health bill says 'tax' when President Obama said 'not'
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Posted on 09/21/2009 8:03:46 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Health bill says 'tax' when President Obama said 'not'

By: Chris Frates and Mike Allen September 21, 2009 09:06 AM EST

In the most contentious exchange of President Barack Obama’s marathon of five Sunday shows, he said it is “not true” that a requirement for individuals to get health insurance under a key reform plan now being debated amounts to a tax increase.

But he could look it up — in the bill.

Page 29, sentence one of the bill introduced by Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont) says: “The consequence for not maintaining insurance would be an excise tax.”

And the rest of the bill is clear that the Finance Committee does, in fact, consider it a tax: “The excise tax would be assessed through the tax code and applied as an additional amount of Federal tax owed.”

The bill requires every American, with few exceptions, to carry health insurance. To enforce this individual mandate, the Senate Finance Committee created the excise tax as a penalty for people who don’t have insurance – and it can run as much as $3,800 a year per family.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2takelibertyaway; 4thecommongood; crazybarry; healthcaretax; humptydumpty; liar; liarinchief; obamacare; obamathugs; taxspendregulate; unconstitutional
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Depends upon the meaning of 'tax'?
1 posted on 09/21/2009 8:03:46 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Even Politico has to rebut this to maintain their “credibility”.


2 posted on 09/21/2009 8:04:44 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Sub-Driver

Obama is a fool and a liar


3 posted on 09/21/2009 8:05:12 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Sub-Driver

Puhleez, Obama. Even if the word “tax” were not used, an unfunded mandate is a tax. Period.

This is sort of like the stupid view that “death panels” were not in the bill because those exact words were never used. Duh.

I guess Obama has never read Orwell’s 1984, either.


4 posted on 09/21/2009 8:05:48 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Mr. President: Why did you appoint a Communist to your Administration?)
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To: Sub-Driver

You all are such racists! The man said it’s not a tax, and you will believe! /sarc


5 posted on 09/21/2009 8:05:55 AM PDT by RaiderRose (Obama has cured my husband's political apathy.)
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To: pissant

He spent Sunday morning proving exactly that.


6 posted on 09/21/2009 8:05:56 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Too bad he didn’t go on Fox and get Chris Wallace grilling his 1/2 white arse.


7 posted on 09/21/2009 8:07:37 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Sub-Driver

The Bam is trying to schmooze and bamboozle us all into a ‘Healthcare Bill’ so he can get the credit. The facts and details be damned where the devil does the work.


8 posted on 09/21/2009 8:07:46 AM PDT by tflabo
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To: Sub-Driver

Too bad Stephanopolis and the President hadn’t read the bill, or perhaps Obama means “it depends on your definition of the word tax”. That sounds familiar.


9 posted on 09/21/2009 8:08:03 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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Why don’t they use the correct word – extortion?


10 posted on 09/21/2009 8:08:34 AM PDT by Bloodclot
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Good work, Politico. Too bad Stephinopolis (or however it's spelled) doesn't have researchers who know how to read. Would have made for a very interesting interview
11 posted on 09/21/2009 8:08:42 AM PDT by fullchroma (Obama: GET OUT OF MY DOCTOR'S OFFICE!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Enforced by the IRS is it not?


12 posted on 09/21/2009 8:08:50 AM PDT by listenhillary (A "cult of personality" arises when a leader uses mass media creating idealized/heroic public image)
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They need it to be a tax legally because if it were a “fine” then one would have recourse to challenge it.
13 posted on 09/21/2009 8:10:12 AM PDT by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: Sub-Driver

why do we think Mr. Wilson called Obama a LIAR? because either obama did NOT read his own bill or he is LYING.


14 posted on 09/21/2009 8:10:27 AM PDT by television is just wrong (one bad ass mistake America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Is Senator Baucus all right? I think someone in the White House just yelled, “Off with his head!” It’s not as though I care a *lot*, but he’s reportedly as honest as anyone in Congress can be.


15 posted on 09/21/2009 8:11:44 AM PDT by JohnQ1 ("Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever." Oscar Wilde)
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“War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength.”

George Orwell was right. He just predicted it would happen 25 years earlier than it did.


16 posted on 09/21/2009 8:13:09 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Crisis - America Held Hostage)
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To: Sub-Driver
President Goose-egg controls the language. It does not control him.


17 posted on 09/21/2009 8:13:23 AM PDT by KarlInOhio ("I can run wild for six months ...after that, I have no expectation of success" - Admiral Obama-moto)
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To: aflaak

ping


18 posted on 09/21/2009 8:14:01 AM PDT by r-q-tek86 ("A building has integrity just like a man. And just as seldom." - Ayn Rand)
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To: fightinJAG
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Newspeak is a fictional language in George Orwell's novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. In the novel, it is described as being "the only language in the world whose vocabulary gets smaller every year". Newspeak is closely based on English but has a greatly reduced and simplified vocabulary and grammar. This suits the totalitarian regime of the Party, whose aim is to make any alternative thinking — "thoughtcrime", or "crimethink" in the newest edition of Newspeak — impossible by removing any words or possible constructs which describe the ideas of freedom, rebellion and so on. One character says admiringly of the shrinking volume of the new dictionary: "It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words."

19 posted on 09/21/2009 8:14:21 AM PDT by tflabo
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From HR 3200:

What the bill says, pages 167-168, section 401, TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE:

‘‘(a) TAX IMPOSED.—In the case of any individual who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of—

(1) the taxpayer’s modified adjusted gross income for the taxable year, over

(2) the amount of gross income specified in section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer. . . .”

EVALUATION OF THE PASSAGE:

1. This section amends the Internal Revenue Code.

2. Anyone caught without acceptable coverage and not in the government plan will pay a special tax.

3. The IRS will be a major enforcement mechanism for the plan.

I find it amusing that the MSM is focussing on the Baucus bill in this regard, yet the same tax is included in the House bill. There is also a similar tax levied on businesses that don't provide acceptable health care coverage.

20 posted on 09/21/2009 8:14:58 AM PDT by kabar
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