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The GOP's New York Fiasco (WSJ Editorial)
Wall St Journal ^ | Oct 21, 2009 | editorial

Posted on 10/21/2009 2:52:28 AM PDT by The Raven

Republicans are telling themselves that a political wave is building that could carry them to big election gains next year. Judging by their performance so far in a special election in New York, however, they deserve to wander in the minority for another generation or two.

The November 2 contest will replace nine-term Republican John McHugh, who resigned to become Secretary of the Army. President Obama carried the district along the Canadian border with 52%, but George W. Bush carried it twice and Republicans outnumber Democrats by 45,000 or so. With voters alarmed about the economy and runaway spending, this ought to be an easy GOP retention.

Yet party bosses have managed to nominate a rare Republican who could lose: Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava, whose liberal record has caused voters to flee to Doug Hoffman, a business executive who is running on the Conservative line. Mr. Hoffman has more than 20% support in the latest poll, which is only a few points behind Ms. Scozzafava, who is only a little behind Democratic lawyer Bill Owens.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: corruption; gop; gopdummies; hoffman; ny2009; ny23; nygop; scozzafava; stupidgop
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Unbelievable. The Republicans need to join the Oath Keepers and refuse to run a candidate who will vote for unconstituional laws.
1 posted on 10/21/2009 2:52:28 AM PDT by The Raven
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To: The Raven

This is exactly why we are in for 8 years of ‘ZERO’! The damn party is run for and by RINOs! They just don’t GET IT! They have no idea what party members outside the beltway think! They aren’t just Republicans In Name Only, they are Democrats that want to push the same big government, just wrapped in red, white, and blue ribbon instead of a rainbow colored one with unicorns!


2 posted on 10/21/2009 3:04:46 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: The Raven

I refuse to send a penny to the Republican party as long as they support trash candidates like this. It’s time for a third party -—or a revolution. I dont know which yet.


3 posted on 10/21/2009 3:18:13 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: The Raven

If the Conservative Candidate (is he independent or Constitution Party or Libertarian?) were to win, it would send earthquakes through the RINO establishment. They don’t mind loosing a seat to Democrats, but to a conservative? It would be great if Doug Hoffman wins.


4 posted on 10/21/2009 3:22:55 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (There is no "O" in Transparency.)
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To: Venturer

We need to take the Republican party back for ourselves. A third party won’t work. A revolution, well, let’s exhaust all peaceful means first.


5 posted on 10/21/2009 3:25:08 AM PDT by DangerZone (RINOs rather lose with a liberal candidate than win with a conservative one.)
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To: Venturer

The GOP is a sham party that exists only to provide the illusion of choice. Understand that the same elite class that gave us Harvard lawyer Obama also gave us Harvard MBA George W. Bush. We have one party in America - the Socialist Party. One head with two faces. The elite ensure that Wall Street brokers get their bonus as they pick up their plane ticket outta here. The elite make sure that they have a spot on the lifeboat as they holler “women and children first”.


6 posted on 10/21/2009 3:29:32 AM PDT by gorilla_warrior (Metrosexual hairless RINOs for hopey-changey bipartisan-ness)
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To: FreeAtlanta

Doug Hoffman is a conservative Republican running under the Conservative Party banner.


7 posted on 10/21/2009 3:30:27 AM PDT by DangerZone (RINOs rather lose with a liberal candidate than win with a conservative one.)
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To: The Raven

bump


8 posted on 10/21/2009 3:45:02 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: DangerZone

We’ve had nearly a year to do that, take the party back. In the vast majority of cases, it ain’t gonna happen.

Look at this lady’s record and tell me she is a real republican? This isn’t about the GOP putting up a RINO, it is about corruption. We sit here like idiots trying to figure out why they are leaving their base, we don’t understand it, we’re confused by their blatant dismisal of our concerns for the party. We are acting like this because we’re in denial.

I’ve gone along with the whole, “take the party back,” mentality for a year. They are sitting in Congress towing the partisan line, but it is not because they believe in the United States. It is because they know they can fool republican-clingers in the election year. Don’t be fooled. If they really believed all that, then why would they have ever supported this RINO/DEM.

I am applying my 6-month rule to things that I find are USELESS in my life. They are tossed on the trash heap with all the other useless things in life.


9 posted on 10/21/2009 3:48:43 AM PDT by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: EBH

So what are your suggestions for conservatives reclaiming political representation?


10 posted on 10/21/2009 4:04:02 AM PDT by DangerZone (RINOs rather lose with a liberal candidate than win with a conservative one.)
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To: Kartographer

There was a post here yesterday from Pravda of all places comparing the Republicans to the Dems and using the term Mensheviks for the R’s and Bolsheviks for the D’s. Pretty accurate.


11 posted on 10/21/2009 4:21:31 AM PDT by saganite (What would Sully do?)
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To: DangerZone

join the Conservative Party

if it puts up Hoffman

why not?


12 posted on 10/21/2009 4:25:06 AM PDT by kralcmot (my tagline died with Terri)
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To: All

Once again the GOP proves how much it richly deserves to be called the stupid party.


13 posted on 10/21/2009 4:27:19 AM PDT by Spartan79
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To: DangerZone
We've waited a year and precious time. The 2010 elections are out of reach.

There were a million or so people in DC on 912. Who knows how many joined the Express in towns all across this country. It was not a republican event, it was an American event.

The last time a third party emerged, it was the Republican Party. It came into existence through the protests of a single cause. A range of citizens from several political groups decided to hold meetings and the new party was formed. They were able to be effective in less than 4 years because they understood BOTH existing parties were split. Coupling that knowledge with the smaller political factions gave birth to the new party. A single issue united all of them. They didn't clutter up the platform with extraneous issues.

The pieces are falling in place for a strong third party. The history shows us the time is coming very near and God bless the Tea Party Movement for showing us we're united around a single necessary issue.

By next summer if we're to make this happen a new caucus meeting will be held with our eyes towards 2012.

14 posted on 10/21/2009 4:33:26 AM PDT by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: FreeAtlanta
If the Conservative Candidate (is he independent or Constitution Party or Libertarian?)

The Conservative Party is a distinct party in the State of New York.

15 posted on 10/21/2009 4:43:34 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: gorilla_warrior
-- The GOP is a sham party that exists only to provide the illusion of choice. --

Yep. The DEMs are a sham too.

16 posted on 10/21/2009 4:46:23 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: The Raven
Mr. Hoffman has more than 20% support in the latest poll, which is only a few points behind Ms. Scozzafava, who is only a little behind Democratic lawyer Bill Owens.

The problem is not just with the local GOP leadership who hand-picked Ms. Commie as the GOP candidate, but with the rank and file Republicans who will vote for her simply because she is the party's nominee.

17 posted on 10/21/2009 4:48:30 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos
This is why conservatives should work to take over the Republican party as opposed to creating a national third party. Even after all the abuse by the party leadership, too many will simply vote for the home team.

Even in this one, you can see it with Scuzzy still pulling in most Republicans (at least according to the last poll). That's too big of a factor to ignore and can cost conservatives elections.

If conservatives had gained control over the Republican leadership at least in District 23, we could be looking at a Hoffman vs Owens race here instead of a conservative vs two Republicrat liberals with die hard Republicans voting for Scuzzy. I still think Hoffman can pull it off and urge conservatives to support him using whatever means at their disposal.
18 posted on 10/21/2009 5:13:23 AM PDT by DangerZone (RINOs rather lose with a liberal candidate than win with a conservative one.)
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To: kralcmot

Please see post 18.


19 posted on 10/21/2009 5:18:23 AM PDT by DangerZone (RINOs rather lose with a liberal candidate than win with a conservative one.)
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To: Spartan79

It goes way beyond stupidity. These party big wigs are utterly corrupt.


20 posted on 10/21/2009 5:19:08 AM PDT by DangerZone (RINOs rather lose with a liberal candidate than win with a conservative one.)
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