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Lessons from the Hoffy Loss...the morning after.
10-4-09 | Bob J

Posted on 11/04/2009 7:08:49 AM PST by Bob J

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To: Bob J

Will you record a video of your Superior Dance and put it on Youtube?

I’d love to watch it.


41 posted on 11/04/2009 7:29:17 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Flightdeck

lessons to be drawn...

-Unless you are planning to be on a mission trip in the jungles of Bolivia on Election Day, you are a FOOL to vote by absentee ballot! (anything can happen between the day you mail it and election day...your candidate could die, drop out, get indicted, etc.)

-The Straight Party Handle on voting machines is the Devil’s Plaything! Makes me sick to think of how many muddle-headed Republican voters must have pulled that handle not realizing that their vote was not registering for Hoffman.

-Any candidate who strays from the party’s core beliefs as far as Scuzzababe is really a Democrat, and at the end of the day, is just going to turn around and stab you in the back anyway.

-A national third-party mechanism just MIGHT be necessary, if only to keep the two dominant parties from starving a guy like Hoffman of desperately needed campaign funding.

-Any incumbent GOP Congressman who would create this situation in the first place by accepting an appointment from a Democrat administration needs to be drummed out of the party one step behind Scuzzababe.


42 posted on 11/04/2009 7:29:21 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: EternalVigilance

“Over the years I’ve noticed that those who most often advocate that we can’t really accomplish anything until we “change hearts and minds” do the least to actually change hearts and minds.”

From you of all people, that’s an idiotic statement.


43 posted on 11/04/2009 7:29:39 AM PST by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.")
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To: IrishCatholic
To 9 - Excellent, as well as accurately, put.
What the GOP also needs is less invertebrates who mistake their inane ramblings for profound insight. What Hoffman did was commendable - period.
44 posted on 11/04/2009 7:29:56 AM PST by jla
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To: skeeter
Who knows - several of them might be on this very thread, accusing the more principled among us of losing this race.

A loss is a loss, FRiend. And with re-districting coming up, that's a serious thing.

45 posted on 11/04/2009 7:30:16 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Patrsup

You are spot-on! This is absolute RINOistic expediency and is total bullspin.

We need to keep articulating our core-republic principles and vociferously not let others define us and, at the same time, challenge their definitions.


46 posted on 11/04/2009 7:30:46 AM PST by PORD (People...Of Right Do (DoI))
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To: Bob J

What did the no name Hoffman lose by less than 3%? That’s pretty amazing for an outsider with no name and 5+% going to Scozzafuzzy..If he can do that without being organized, just think what it could be.


47 posted on 11/04/2009 7:32:13 AM PST by hope
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To: Bob J
Modern politics is not won with torches and pitchforks from half way across the country which is what was attempted here.

I tuned out Pat Buchanan style politics when he took up a pitchforks as his symbolic political tool.

We have to gently change their minds first before the change we desire will come. Shouting in peoples faces only gets them wet and you out of breath.

Maybe if you started off with this advise instead of your typical accusatory tone using a pitchfork style admonition I might start paying attention to you.

48 posted on 11/04/2009 7:32:41 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Jet Jaguar

AMEN!

and not to mention the amount of $$$ and power were behind Owens........

the real storyline on this election is about Pelosi’s “astro-turf” lie.....

Hoffman’s campaign was 100% grassroots/tea party spirit....and he lost by a few % points to the COMBINED RNC and DNC machine...

keep spinning Nancy...keep spinning....


49 posted on 11/04/2009 7:33:19 AM PST by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: Bob J

Hoffman was on his way to winning before Dede dropped out and endorsed the Democrat. She also took just enough vote to keep the race from being closer. What happened in that race is unfortunate but we can be thankful that though we now have a Democrat in that seat that he will be up for reelection in 2010. I believe Doug Hoffman and his supporters of which I count myself should spend the time till then working on preparing to win in 2010. We need more hardworking common men like Hoffman who reflect the vision upon which this nation was founded and rise not because it is easy or that they seek power but because they truly love there country not as they will change it to be like Europe or Socialist nations but as it is at its most unique and best. Getting into arguments about “practical politics” verses ideology is like debating whether a donuts are better than a nutritious meal. Donuts are a good occasionally but it is the muscle, those principles, that keep us strong. We have seen over and over again that winning with a loser isn’t winning at all because those like Dede S. turn our victories into bittersweet eulogies, they blur the lines at a time in history when clarity is what is needed more than every before. Hoffman lost because of the chaos and the lack of time to respond to increased attacks and a bitter pseudo-Republican who had to have the last word. Don’t let this be the last we think of NY-23. Lets finish the job in 2010.


50 posted on 11/04/2009 7:33:59 AM PST by Maelstorm (Party like it's 1776!)
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To: Bob J

I don’t know. From reading the posts on your own thread, I’d say that my position is gaining the ascendancy, not yours. Hearts and minds, Bob, hearts and minds.


51 posted on 11/04/2009 7:34:21 AM PST by EternalVigilance (In NY-23, the GOP set out to elect a liberal Democrat. They succeeded.)
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To: Bob J

I noticed that the Democratic candidate was unable to get a majority of the vote. This is hardly something to be proud of. The fact is that the majority of the vote went against the Democratic candidate. Had Scozzafava not been on the ballot, those votes would have gone to Hoffman. It is a hollow victory victory for the Democrats, and a lesson to the Republicans.


52 posted on 11/04/2009 7:34:24 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: Just mythoughts; Bob J
Maybe if you started off with this advise instead of your typical accusatory tone using a pitchfork style admonition I might start paying attention to you.

IOW, you won't shout, because you're holding your breath in protest.

He's right, and you acknowledge that, but you resolutely refuse to pay attention to him because he didn't say it the way you would have.

Shouldn't that make you stop and think?

53 posted on 11/04/2009 7:35:51 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Bob J

A Conservative took a shot and lost by 3 percent.............I’d say, the whole 2 party system just got jabbed in the ass and proves, even with a loss last night, things can change.


54 posted on 11/04/2009 7:37:29 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Bob J

The message is that even when the GOP supports a RINO and even in a district that when for the libs in the last two elections .... a conservative can make it close.

Had the GOP supported the conservative
Had the support come prior to absentee ballots
it would not have been close, but would have gone our way


55 posted on 11/04/2009 7:37:52 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Bob J
The 'Republican' would not have been worth electing in the first place.

If that district is still around in 2010, it will return to the Republican Party.

56 posted on 11/04/2009 7:38:23 AM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: r9etb

Bob had a “but” in his second paragraph.


57 posted on 11/04/2009 7:38:49 AM PST by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: Bob J

Well said Bob. This will go on post after post with very few sitting back and thinking about what you said.


58 posted on 11/04/2009 7:38:58 AM PST by BubbaJunebug (s)
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To: Bob J

I’ve often found people don’t react well to “outsiders” coming in and telling them who they should nominate or elect. When this happens people sometimes cut off their noses to spite their faces.


59 posted on 11/04/2009 7:39:09 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Bob J
"No, Scozzafava should never have been handed the nomination "

But she was, and we did something about it. And we will continue to keep pushing forward and replacing liberals w/ an r at the end, with real conservatives, whether you like it or not.

60 posted on 11/04/2009 7:39:49 AM PST by NoGrayZone (Where's The Birth Certificate)
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