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A Fascist Wonders Why Gun Owners Buy 1.3M More Firearms In October
Outdoor Life ^ | November 26, 2009 | John Haughey

Posted on 11/26/2009 9:29:35 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Crim

I am considering doing the “Omega Man” thing. Fortifing the house, stealing supplies and causing mayhem.
It is a plan. Not much of a plan I admit, but a plan none the less.


181 posted on 11/27/2009 4:02:12 AM PST by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Finally, how would the NRA define government 'tyranny'?

HMMMmmm...

Here is how some old white men defined it, so long ago:


 

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

 

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

182 posted on 11/27/2009 4:06:11 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: calex59
I have several high recoiling rifles but fear they will put the old pace maker out of business, so I shoot what I can now.

Dang!

How old IS yours?

183 posted on 11/27/2009 4:07:51 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: txhurl
Get this: the democrats in my family are arming up.

Same in my family. Guess dems understand the consequences of what their team is doing in Washington...

184 posted on 11/27/2009 4:11:12 AM PST by GOPJ (ObamaCare - slush fund scam that would make Bernie Madoff blush.)
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To: Elsie

It’s pretty new and on my left side, I don’t really know if the recoil would harm it and have never had a Doctor say anything to me about it, just something I think about. I guess I should really ask one of these days, but I never did care all that much for my .300 Win Mag anyway, it usually gives me a headache after about 15 rounds. I do like shooting my muzzles loaders with heavy power charges(110 Grns Pyrodex with a 450 grn conical bullet)and haven’t been doing that lately. I guess I really should ask the doctor about it and see if it is ok. I know a friend of mine who had one put in on the right shoulder was told not to fire a rifle of any recoil, but I understand the reason the normally place them on the right is in order to avoid stuff like that. Talk to your doctor because, as I said, this is my opinion and not anything I have been warned about.


185 posted on 11/27/2009 4:30:27 AM PST by calex59
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To: Boucheau

“I really do not believe politicians know what they are toying with. We are not Europeans. We are not Canadians. We are Americans and we will be free.”

Yup.


186 posted on 11/27/2009 7:52:52 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: TheZMan
Interesting that the National Socialists have given up on the ‘Gun Safety’ and ‘It's for the Children’ memes and switched to a “How dare they oppose our benevolent Tyranny” ,Line of BS.
187 posted on 11/27/2009 7:59:42 AM PST by BerserkPatriot (There are no 1st Amendment rights without 2nd Amendment Rights)
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To: 300winmag
Same here, too. And for the first time in my life, I am recommending an M4-clone as a “starter” rifle for first-time owners.
Normally I'd recommend a nice .22 plinker, like a Ruger 10-22. But these are not normal times. I also tell them to forget about a handgun until they are competent with their rifle. I also tell them to make up an “accessory kit” of a dozen mags, and at least a thousand rounds of ammo.
Other people are getting the same advice. When I go to the local indoor range, there is so much empty 5.56mm brass on the floor forward of the firing like, it's hard to spot other brands.

Good points.

If you don't have a rifle, get one.
If you have a rifle, get a handgun.
If you have both, get a second set – one to have on hand, and another to stash.
Stock up on ammo and non-perishable food.
If you have done all of this already, get others to do the same.

188 posted on 11/27/2009 8:21:34 AM PST by BerserkPatriot (There are no 1st Amendment rights without 2nd Amendment Rights)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

I cant believe you dont have the PLR 16. That’s about as sweet as it gets for a personal defense weapon.


189 posted on 11/27/2009 8:27:38 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Only payoff for being a Democrat? They get the illusion that they are intellectually superior to you)
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To: umgud
The real story that everyone seems to miss is that out of this figure, there are millions of NEW guns that have hit the streets and no corresponding surge in gun violence statistics. That's because all these reported sales were to law-abiding citizens.

Precisely, in fact violent crime should decline as scum bags come up against armed citizens defending themselves like never before.

190 posted on 11/27/2009 8:38:39 AM PST by JrsyJack (a healthy dose of buckshot will probably get you the last word in any argument.)
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To: rickomatic
First we need a new or at least a restated Declaration of Independence.

No we don't...we just need to educate people on what the existing one says. Too many people simply know of the document but have never read it...same for The Constitution.

191 posted on 11/27/2009 8:41:15 AM PST by JrsyJack (a healthy dose of buckshot will probably get you the last word in any argument.)
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To: Centurion2000

I’ve shot one, and they’re interesting, but I just cannot get used to that long barrel on that pistol! Now, put a stock on the PLR-16 and I’m all over it, but then I’d also need the $200 tax stamp to make an SBR...


192 posted on 11/27/2009 8:44:46 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
“Do you believe that the Second Amendment provides individuals with a right to shoot and kill government officials when they deem our government has become ‘tyrannical’?

No, but I believe that the Declaration of Independence sure does.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. T. Jefferson 1776

193 posted on 11/27/2009 8:49:06 AM PST by JrsyJack (a healthy dose of buckshot will probably get you the last word in any argument.)
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To: Travis McGee
I need a pistol that will go bang every time. I don’t trust a sigma to go bang twice in a row.

Agree on the Sigma, shot one in .40 cal damn near ripped my hand off and that trigger pull is annoying. Try Springfield XD or XDm, 9mm or .40S&W. As reliable and accurate as a SIG and $300 lower price.

194 posted on 11/27/2009 8:53:39 AM PST by JrsyJack (a healthy dose of buckshot will probably get you the last word in any argument.)
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To: Salgak

Are you honestly thinking the reason there’s been a spike in firearms and ammunition sales is because of Christmas and the hunting season??

You haven’t been paying attention.


195 posted on 11/27/2009 9:09:56 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Shooter 2.5

No, I’m saying that there’s ALWAYS been a spike from October to December.

The current situation is a spike inside an already large surge. . .


196 posted on 11/27/2009 9:19:32 AM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Now, put a stock on the PLR-16

A laptop carry strap and the proper hold work wonders as a stock replacement / mitigation.

197 posted on 11/27/2009 8:36:48 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Only payoff for being a Democrat? They get the illusion that they are intellectually superior to you)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Do you believe that the Second Amendment provides individuals with a right to shoot and kill government officials when they deem our government has become 'tyrannical'?

No. It RECOGNIZES the right that exists independently of any human legal apparatus or Constitution.

198 posted on 11/28/2009 10:25:19 AM PST by oblomov
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