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To: Delacon

Tiny point, but it may help you in the future:

The word “data” is a plural noun (the singular is “darum”).

When dealing with people whose entire lives are about dealing with data, it might be better to use proper termenology.

e.g.: I know the data ARE here...

Please don’t take offense, this meant as gentle assistance and to help people who are reading along.


3 posted on 12/05/2009 9:48:09 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003; Delacon

r/darum/datum/

*DANG!* I hate it when that happens, especially when I am in finger-wag mode :(


4 posted on 12/05/2009 9:50:10 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

Well the singular is datum not darum(I am a member of the typing police) but no, data is now being used as both in the plural and singular context. ;)


5 posted on 12/05/2009 9:57:17 PM PST by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: freedumb2003

And the correct spelling of termenology is terminology.


6 posted on 12/05/2009 9:57:54 PM PST by abigailsmybaby (To understan' the livin' you got to commune wit' da dead.)
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To: freedumb2003

From the OED:

Is ‘data’ singular or plural?

Strictly speaking, data is the plural of datum, and should be used with a plural verb (like facts). However, there has been a growing tendency to use it as an equivalent to the uncountable noun information, followed by a singular verb. This is now regarded as generally acceptable in American use, and in the context of information technology. The traditional usage is still preferable, at least in Britain, but it may soon become a lost cause.

You keep up the good fight and God bless you. Did you know that certain language police way back in the old days hated the bastardization of God Bless Yee into goodbye?


8 posted on 12/05/2009 10:04:40 PM PST by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: freedumb2003
data pl but sing or pl in constr

That's in Webster's Seventh Collegiate ( 1963 ), where data is listed as the plural under the entry for datum, and in Webster's Ninth Collegiate ( 1984 ), where data has its own entry.

i.e. do as you please.

12 posted on 12/05/2009 10:14:56 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: freedumb2003

lol, man, you are really getting beat up here!


22 posted on 12/05/2009 10:26:25 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: freedumb2003

Interesting. I’ve been in IT since 1983. I’ve even been an IMS DBA during part of that time.

Although it is common knowledge that the word Datum refers to a single piece of data, nobody ever called it that. We called it a data element, a field, or some other name. The word datum was only used acedemically, never in real world examples.

Also, I have also never, EVER heard anyone say the data “are” here. It has always been the data “is” here. The word data is sort of used like the word “flock” or “herd”. Its common use is as a singular.

And I am still in IT.


32 posted on 12/05/2009 10:47:34 PM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: freedumb2003

“Dara” is the plural of “darum”.


64 posted on 12/06/2009 5:51:46 AM PST by sasquatch
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To: freedumb2003

......(the singular is “darum”).....

Are you sure? I thought darum was wheat


66 posted on 12/06/2009 5:58:51 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Lukenbach Texas is barely there)
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