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1 posted on 12/24/2009 3:44:24 PM PST by raptor22
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Beam me to Planet Gore !

2 posted on 12/24/2009 3:45:53 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Don't start the revolution without me.)
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Doesn’t matter.

It’s “climate change” now. See how fast the statists forget about the warming issue and shift to cooling as the problem.


3 posted on 12/24/2009 3:46:25 PM PST by tips up
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It doesn’t matter what’s ahead — cooling, heating, lukewarming, super cooling, super heating, superlukewarming.. once the warming bill is passed.


4 posted on 12/24/2009 3:49:46 PM PST by libh8er
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5 posted on 12/24/2009 3:51:27 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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Interesting notion, but no one, including the good professor knows for sure if this is right. What it does demonstrate is that far from there being a concensus, science hasn’t got the foggiest notion of the mechanisms of climate change and the role of mankind in it.


6 posted on 12/24/2009 3:51:52 PM PST by centurion316
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I am in the Texas Hill Country for Christmas. Saw some of that “Global Warming/Climate Change/Watzit Called today. I-35 north of Denton is a mess, Oklahoma City is almost shut down.


8 posted on 12/24/2009 3:53:54 PM PST by Fred Hayek (From this point forward the Democratic Party will be referred to as the Communist Party)
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A peer-reviewed study by a respected Canadian physicist blames the interplay of cosmic rays and chlorofluorocarbons for 20th-century warming. The CFCs are now gone, and so is warming -- perhaps for the next 50 years.

Now that sounds like science that might actually be believable. CFC's form free radicals in the upper atmosphere that act as chemical catalysts, meaning that one molecule of CFC could catalyze thousands of reactions.

And, unlike CO2, CFCs are completely man-made and nothing that the earth has ever handled before.

9 posted on 12/24/2009 3:55:07 PM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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Just a cotton pickin minute here... Just 15 or so years ago it was predicted that the mother of all ice ages was upon us due to all the chlorofluorocarbons in the atmosphere...


11 posted on 12/24/2009 3:56:40 PM PST by tubebender (Some minds are like concrete Thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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I just posted this :

ClimateGate: 30 years in the making ( PDF File with great Detail Available)

13 posted on 12/24/2009 4:00:02 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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Pound sand Algore, you're an complete assclown

14 posted on 12/24/2009 4:00:28 PM PST by tx_eggman (Obama has "Czars" because men with more integrity than he has still use the titles "Don" and "Capo")
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Glaciers could envelope Canada and they would still insist that Global Warming was taking place.


22 posted on 12/24/2009 4:18:40 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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Global Warming is over. Global Fleecing will continue. :`(


28 posted on 12/24/2009 4:26:30 PM PST by TigersEye (Tar & feathers! Pitchforks and torches! ... Get some while supplies last.)
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Does anyone really believe CFCs had squat to do with the climate?


34 posted on 12/24/2009 4:46:18 PM PST by plain talk
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blames the interplay of cosmic rays and chlorofluorocarbons for 20th-century warming. The CFCs are now gone

It wasn't the rays and the CFCs, Mr. Scientist. Sorry for the inconvenience. It was my pet rabbit, Harvey. He's hibernating now. That's why there's no more global warming.

36 posted on 12/24/2009 4:52:49 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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Waaaaaa!

2 degrees F and 50-60 mph gusts here now. Getting out today was good exercise (with goggles), and it’s cozy now. ...very little battery usage and no propane usage.

;-b


38 posted on 12/24/2009 5:04:29 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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Oh...”goggles” because of the blowing snow. Not much snow, though, with most drifts only a couple feet or so. ...vehicle climbs right through it and over the more hardened drifts.


39 posted on 12/24/2009 5:06:34 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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bm


45 posted on 12/24/2009 6:17:41 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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The world has had several major ice ages followed by melting of those ice ages as done by global warming...

Seems we have a natural cycle going on here... especially since all those ice ages and following warming periods came about before civilization existed...

But these obvious truths are totally ignored...

The most likely cause of any global cooling or warming period is planetary and solar movements - in conjunction with each other...

The earth’s orbit around the Sun is not perfect - there can be slight orbital perturbations (irregularities) which can change the amount of sunlight directed to and/or absorbed by the Earth. Orbital perturbations can and do occur in cycles - periodic and non periodic.

Likewise - the angle of the Earth’s axis is not perfect and can change - ever so slightly - a fraction of a fraction of a degree. A slight alteration in the angle of the Earth’s axis could easily produce changes in the amount of sunlight absorbed or not absorbed by the Earth in a given time frame...

Also the diameter of the Sun can change by internal expansion / contractions cycles — then there are the well known Sun spot cycles - some quite predictable...

Periods of global cooling, global warming and global nothing could easily be explained by any of the above factors...

I believe global cooling and warming cycles could well be a chance confluence of two or three of the above mentioned phenomena... throw in some human activity and you have what we know as climate change - for better or worse...

Bottom line - humans have little to no significant contribution to any sort of climatic change in temperature or weather patterns...

On a much smaller scale urban centers do have an effect on localized weather patterns.

The claims of global warming - climate change are just a global excuse for political movements not achievable by other means...

In the U.S.A. this is also exemplified by a manufactured ‘health care crisis’ ... there is no health care crisis - but it does make a good excuse (fabricated as it is) for a political movement ...

Footnote — but of course none of the global events over hundreds and thousands of years similar to the one described below have had any climatic effect (according to LEFTIST around the world) ... /SARC off ...

RE: the 2004 earthquake and tsunami near Indonesia, Thailand and the Indian Ocean area ... The gigantic quake rattled the Earth’s orbit, changed the map of Asia:

An earthquake that unleashed deadly tidal waves on Asia was so powerful it made the Earth wobble on its axis and permanently altered the regional map, US geophysicists said.

The 9.0-magnitude temblor that struck 250 kilometers (155 miles) southeast of Sumatra island Sunday may have moved small islands as much as 20 meters (66 feet), according to one expert.

“That earthquake has changed the map,” US Geological Survey expert Ken Hudnut told AFP. “Based on seismic modeling, some of the smaller islands off the southwest coast of Sumatra may have moved to the southwest by about 20 meters. That is a lot of slip.”

The northwestern tip of the Indonesian territory of Sumatra may also have shifted to the southwest by around 36 meters (120 feet), Hudnut said.

In addition, the energy released as the two sides of the undersea fault slipped against each other made the Earth wobble on its axis, Hudnut said.

“We can detect very slight motions of the Earth and I would expect that the Earth wobbled in its orbit when the earthquake occurred due the massive amount of energy exerted and the sudden shift in mass,” Hudnut said.

Another USGS research geophysicist agreed that the Earth would have got a “little jog,” and that the islands off Sumatra would have been moved by the quake.

However, Stuart Sipkin, of the USGS National Earthquake Information Center in Golden Colorado, said it was more likely that the islands off Sumatra had risen higher out of the sea than they had moved laterally. “In in this case, the Indian plate dived below the Burma plate, causing
uplift, so most of the motion to the islands would have been vertical, not horizontal.”


The Sumatran earthquake will not alter the Earth’s tilt ), but will probably alter the Earth’s wobble on that axis. The Earth’s north pole gradually spirals around, anti-clockwise, on the Earth’s surface (in a diameter of about 2-12 metres); generally the tighter, the
faster the rotation.


47 posted on 12/24/2009 6:29:03 PM PST by ICCtheWay
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It’s one thing to gripe and complain about these things and disagree with it, but it’s quite another to convince your friends and neighbors and relatives and coworkers...

THEREFORE..., it’s also absolutely necessary for people to know the information in the following documentary. If there were simply one video that you could see and/or show people you know... this would be the one...


The following is an excellent video documentary on the so-called “Global Warming” I would recommend it to all FReepers. It’s a very well-made documentary.

“The Great Global Warming Swindle”

If you want to download it, via a BitTorrent site (using a BitTorrent client), you can get it at the following link. Information about BitTorrent protocol and BitTorrent clients and their comparison at these three links (in this sentence). Some additional BitTorrent information here and here.

Download it here...
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3635222/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle
[This is a high-quality copy, of about a gigabyte in size. This link is the information about it, and you have to click the download link to get it on your BitTorrent client software. You'll also find users' comments here, too.]

It’s worth seeing and having for relatives, friends, neighbors and coworkers to see.

Also, see it online here...
http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/great_global_warming_swindle.php
[this one is considerably lower quality, is a flash video and viewable online, of course..., and also, you can download flash video on a website either yourself or some software doing it.]

Buy it on DVD here...
[this would be the very highest quality version, on a DVD disk, of several gigabytes in size...] At Amazon, it seems to be high-priced now and have only a few copies right now.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000WLUXZE

At WAGtv (a UK shop), but don't know about shipping. The price is reasonable, though.
https://www.wagtv.com/product/The-Great-Global-Warming-Swindle-322.html
[And..., some information from WAGtv about this item.]


Also, in split parts on YouTube...

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 1 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TqqWJugXzs

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 2 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5rGpDMN8lw

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 3 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzFL6Ixe_bo

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 4 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNQy2rT_dvU

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 5 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dzIMXGI6k8

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 6 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GjOgQN1Jco

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 7 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHI2GfbfrYw

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 8 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N9benJh3Lw

The Great Global Warming Swindle - Credits (Part 9 of 9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_1ifP-ri58

49 posted on 12/24/2009 6:39:53 PM PST by Star Traveler (At Christmas - remember to keep "Christ" in the One-World Government that we look forward to)
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Sunspot Activity at 8,000-Year High

By Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer
posted: 27 October 2004
12:58 pm ET

Sunspots have been more common in the past seven decades than at any time in the last 8,000 years, according to a new historic reconstruction of solar activity.

Many researchers have tried to link sunspot activity to climate change, but the new results cannot be used to explain global warming, according to the scientists who did the study.

Sunspots are areas of intense magnetic energy. They act like temporary caps on upwelling matter, and they are the sites of occasional ferocious eruptions of light and electrified gas. More sunspots generally means increased solar activity.

Sunspots have been studied directly for about four centuries, and these direct observations provide the most reliable historic record of solar activity. Previous studies have suggested cooler periods on Earth were related to long stretches with low sunspot counts. From the 1400s to the 1700s, for example, Europe and North America experienced a "Little Ice Age." For a period of about 50 years during that time, there were almost no sunspots.

But a firm connection between sunspot numbers and climate remains elusive, many scientists say.

Better record

The new study, led by Sami Solanki of the Max Planck Institute in Germany, employed a novel approach to pinning down sunspot activity going back 11,400 years:

Cosmic rays constantly bombard Earth's atmosphere. Chemical interactions create a fairly constant source of stuff called carbon-14, which falls to Earth and is absorbed and retained by trees. But charged particles hurled at Earth by active sunspots deflect cosmic rays. So when the Sun gets wild, trees record less carbon-14.

While trees don't typically live more than a few hundred years or perhaps a couple thousand, dead and buried trees, if preserved, carry a longer record, "as long as tree rings can be identified," said Manfred Schuessler, another Max Planck Institute researcher who worked on the study.

The study's finding: Sunspot activity has been more intense and lasted longer during the past 60 to 70 years than at anytime in more than eight millennia.

Sunspot activity is known to ebb and flow in two cycles lasting 11 and 88 years (activity is currently headed toward a short-term minimum). Astronomers think that longer cycles -- or at least long-term variations -- also occur. Scientists in other fields have shown that during the past 11,000 years, Earth's climate has had many dramatic shifts.

"Whether solar activity is a dominant influence in these [climate] changes is a subject of intense debate," says Paula Reimer, a researcher at Queen's University Belfast who wrote an analysis of the new study for Nature. Why? Because "the exact relationship of solar irradiance to sunspot number is still uncertain."

In general, studies indicate changes in solar output affect climate during periods lasting decades or centuries, "but this interpretation is controversial because it is not based on any understanding of the relevant physical processes," study member Schuessler told SPACE.com. Translation: Scientists have a lot to learn about the Sun-Earth connection.

Better understanding

The study's methods appear solid: "The models reproduce the observed record of sunspots extremely well, from almost no sunspots during the seventeenth century to the current high levels," Reimer said.

The research could eventually help scientists understand why the climate has changed in the past and allow for better predictions of future change.

"The reconstructed sunspot number will nonetheless provide a much-needed record of solar activity," Reimer said. "This can then be compared with palaeoclimate data sets to test theories of possible solar-climate connections, as well as enabling physicists to model long-term solar variability."

Whatever the result, change is likely to continue.

Solanki's team calculates that, based on history, the chances of sunspot activity remaining at the currently high levels for another 50 years is 8 percent. Odds are just 1 percent the solar exuberance will last through the end of this century.

50 posted on 12/24/2009 6:40:25 PM PST by Star Traveler (At Christmas - remember to keep "Christ" in the One-World Government that we look forward to)
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