Posted on 12/26/2009 12:15:26 PM PST by smoothsailing
I saw it....A+++ in my book. The writing worthy of Conan Doyle. Downey gives Holmes a real consumptive edge and feel and the actor that plays Watson has a scrappy attitude towards his associate and played by a younger person. Gone was the traditional portly, phlegmatically played Watson.
Mid late period London sets were astounding!
Having seen Jeremy Brett play Holmes, there's no need for me to see anyone else in the role.
“‘Avatar’ and Boycotts: When the Left Does and Doesn’t Champion Free Speech”
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/fdemartini/2009/12/27/avatar-and-boycotts-when-the-left-does-and-doesnt-champion-free-speech/#more-284370
(snip)”...However, there is one thing about the movie that really upsets me. It is blatant anti-military and less blatant anti-American. Without giving away too much of the plot, the bad guys in the movie are the United States Marines.”
(snip)”The glee with which the American Marines participate in this massacre is appalling and does not show the true feelings and concerns of the real United States Military. James Cameron should apologize to the American Military and should make a statement that he does not truly feel this way about them. He should also apologize to the American public for painting our young men and women that defend this country as cold-blooded killers.”
Did Jack Murtha get paid for advising?
Another piece of Hollywood American hating trash not to view.
More propaganda intent to injure the reputation of our finest.
(See post #83.)
It wouldn't surprise me, he knows all about disparaging Marines.
Murtha also may been paid to pose as the model for the movie's "giant, aggressive, hippo-resembling beasts with giant anvil heads".
Or as Phill Kline says: Call me unenlightened, but when I see a Marine battle an anvil headed beast called forth by a planet-god — I root for the U.S. Marine.
Good for Kline. I guess this movie is not a surprise for Hollywood and the America hating (for the most part) crowd that has the say as to what they produce.
Thanks for posting this. I'm sending a link to this piece to friends and family, maybe it'll help to reduce proceeds.
Murtha could definitely been a technical adviser when it comes to portraying Marines as the bad guys!
At our family’s Christmas dinner my 22-yearold nephew was telling me about this movie. He said the special effects were quite good, but beyond that he didn’t recommend it.
He’s a young conservative and said the movie lasted way too long and the juvenile storyline was anti-capitalism, anti-military, and anti-American treehugging gibberish that was downright boring.
“Murtha also may been paid to pose as the model for the movie’s “giant, aggressive, hippo-resembling beasts with giant anvil heads.”
Ohmagosh LOL! That is good!
Uncle Tom's Cabin was only a book. Ideas matter, even when they are couched in fiction.
Oh my God...they actually called it unobtanium? Really?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Oh man, all these people on this thread saying “It was such a good movie...”...you poor suckers! Unobtanium! Was it discovered by a guy named MacGuffin? Was he carrying Chekhov’s rifle when he discovered it? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
I’ll be passing up on that one as i heard they basically turned watson and holmes into weirdos and gay.
Does it make perfect sense to you that all the main humans are played by whites and all the Na’Vi are played by non-whites? That’s a little too much coincidence to me.
And really...when they revealed that the mineral they were mining was called “unobtanium”...your reaction was?
Some ideas matter, most are cast aside or ignored entirely. I’m not sure movies are a contributor to societal beliefs in the way books were and still are.
Movies reflect the belief of those who produce them. I have yet to see a movie that could alter my beliefs.
Those sins would be the mistreatment of natives. The difference between that and Avatar would be that Avatar is (according to its writer/director) about "creeping imperialism disguised as patriotism," "the way you interact with nature," the way we are "trashing our world and maybe condemning ourselves to a grim future," American conduct of the War on Terror "that cost several hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives," shock and awe and "I think there's a moral responsibility to understand that," and even September 11th.
So, (as I stated) Dances With Wolves is about sins America actually committed, and Avatar is about current American policy that the writer sees as sinful because he is far out on the left wing and eager to propagandize.
Did you see the movie?
No, and I didn't need to sit down and watch Debbie Does Dallas before I was sure there were exposed boobies in it.
So, are you saying that driving natives out of their homes and/or killing them to steal their natural resources is good and right?
No, I'm saying that practicing capitalism and defending ourselves from terrorists is good and right, and Cameron is making them out to be genocide.
Where in Avatar is the message of enslavement?
Leftist politics are about the masses doing what Big Brother tells them to do, or else. Cameron admits he's pushing leftist garbage.
This movie is FernGully: The Last Rainforest for adults. The guy who wrote it, directed it and got a studio to spend somewhere between a quarter and a half a billion dollars making it says so. Somehow, I think he knows more about the themes and what he's trying to accomplish than you do.
Oh...and "unobtanium?" They really called it "unobtanium?" Was there a batlike alien played by Robin Williams in it, too? How about a fairy that defends the rainforest?
This argumant comes up often when people are discussing the effect of TV, you know, the medium that doesn't effect anyone's behavior but is funded by 30 second long film shorts designed to successfully effect behavior.
Seriously, if you think the visual media haven't been as influential as books, consider where sexual mores have gone in the past generation or two.
I have yet to see a movie that could alter my beliefs.
How do you know?
The writer/director says it's about "creeping imperialism disguised as patriotism," "the way you interact with nature," the way we are "trashing our world and maybe condemning ourselves to a grim future," American conduct of the War on Terror "that cost several hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives," shock and awe and "I think there's a moral responsibility to understand that." He even said that it isn't "necessarily a bad thing" that the ash raining down on the Na'Vi after the evil white folks attack resembles the ash coming down on Ground Zero.
Did you plan to donate money to Barack Obama's reelection campaign, or MoveOn.org? Well, you just did! You got your pocket vaccumed by FernGully: The Last Rainforest for adults, dude.
I'm pretty sure the guy who is on the credits as the writer and director has seen the movie. How come the "wrong guff" seems to match exactly what he says his movie is about?
I don’t spend hours on end in front of the TV like many do. I watch movies ocassionally at home and at the theater so I’m not really in the same category.
TV definately has an impact simply because it’s used as a educational tool to our children. Un-attentive parents are primarily to blame for allowing the media to establish such dominance of thought. Adults have already established their beliefs in a way that could hardly be altered by the big screen. But it is obvious to me they can easily be swayed by what is portrayed as reality on the “news”.
This isn't what the Wikipedia page said. First, I'm not a big fan of using Wikipedia as a source, but even when it is used as a source, I'm less of a fan of mis-quoting what was written:
You've combined two different parts into one paragraph.
Here's the full quote from Cameron:
"I have an absolute reverence for men who have a sense of duty, courage, but I’m also a child of the ’60s. There’s a part of me who wants to put a daisy in the end of the gun barrel. I believe in peace through superior firepower, but on the other hand I abhor the abuse of power and creeping imperialism disguised as patriotism. Some of these things you can’t raise without being called unpatriotic, but I think it’s very patriotic to question a system that needs to be corralled, or it becomes Rome." —James Cameron on the film's theme
And, here's the other part. Note that this is not Cameron's own writing, but the opinion of the Wiki's author, who, like you, has cherry-picked the quotes he used.
The film also contains implicit criticism of America's conduct in the War on Terror and the impersonal nature of mechanized warfare in general, as acknowledged by Cameron.[49] Although Cameron had said this was not the main point of Avatar, he did add that Americans had a "moral responsibility" to understand the impact of their country's recent military campaigns "that cost several hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives."[49] In reference to the use of the term "shock and awe" in the film, Cameron stated, "We know what it feels like to launch the missiles. We don't know what it feels like for them to land on our home soil, not in America. I think there's a moral responsibility to understand that."[49] After the Na'vi homes collapse in flames and the landscape is coated in ash and floating embers in scenes reminiscent of Ground Zero after the September 11 attacks, Cameron said he had been "surprised at how much it did look like September 11. I didn't think that was necessarily a bad thing".
Note that this is quite a bit different from what you insist Cameron says. And, on the point of lost Iraqi lives, I agree with him. Bush used lies and propaganda to justify the invasion of Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with the attacks on 9/11.
So, (as I stated) Dances With Wolves is about sins America actually committed, and Avatar is about current American policy that the writer sees as sinful because he is far out on the left wing and eager to propagandize.
Your own source says that this was not the main point of the film.
No, I'm saying that practicing capitalism and defending ourselves from terrorists is good and right, and Cameron is making them out to be genocide.
Since you haven't seen the movie, you can't really say what point Cameron is making in the movie. In fact, according to your source, Cameron says that the movie is like Dances with Wolves. Having seen both, I agree with him.
Leftist politics are about the masses doing what Big Brother tells them to do, or else. Cameron admits he's pushing leftist garbage.
Bzzt... Wrong answer. Please show where Cameron said this and please show the full quote this time.
This movie is FernGully: The Last Rainforest for adults. The guy who wrote it, directed it and got a studio to spend somewhere between a quarter and a half a billion dollars making it says so. Somehow, I think he knows more about the themes and what he's trying to accomplish than you do.
No, Cameron didn't say this. Again, you've taken the Wiki page out of context to make your point. Here's the full quote:
In terms of plot, it has been called "the same movie" as Dances with Wolves.[118] In reference to various themes in the plot, parallels have been drawn between the premise of Avatar and that of Poul Anderson's 1957 short story "Call Me Joe", where a paralyzed man uses his mind to remotely control an alien body.[119] Other reviews have compared it to the films FernGully: The Last Rainforest[120] and Pocahontas.[121] Cameron has acknowledged that the film is thematically similar to such classic "going-native" films as Dances with Wolves and At Play in the Fields of the Lord.[47]
Let me repeat: "Other reviews have compared it to the films FernGully: The Last Rainforest[120] and Pocahontas. Cameron has acknowledged that the film is thematically similar to such classic "going-native" films as Dances with Wolves and At Play in the Fields of the Lord"
Having seen the movie, I think I'm in a stronger position to talk about what message is contained in the movie than someone, like you, who bases his conclusions solely on the opinions of others. Or, worse yet, cherry-picks quotes from Wikipedia.
It was clear from the way my paragraph was constructed that I was quoting from several parts of one work or quoting from multiple works. Moreover, you look silly accusing me of lying about a source I pointed you to in the first place. I stand by what I wrote.
Bush used lies and propaganda to justify the invasion of Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with the attacks on 9/11.
Ah, we hear from another Freeper who owns a signed first edition of "Zapp Brannigan's Big Book of War."
What "lies" did Bush tell that just happened to agree with the intelligence assessments of intel agencies in pretty much every country that bothered keeping tabs on Iraq? When did any Bush official say that Saddam Hussein or anyone working for him had been involved in the 9/11 attacks?
Your own source says that this was not the main point of the film.
When I said "current American policy" I was speaking of policy as a whole, not Iraq specifically. This movie is, as Cameron and Sigourney Weaver have both said, about our treatment of the planet. Again, I stand by what I wrote.
Since you haven't seen the movie, you can't really say what point Cameron is making in the movie.
1. Cameron said what his point is, not me.
2. I didn't need to see Debbie Does Dallas to know what the director's goal was with that film.
In fact, according to your source, Cameron says that the movie is like Dances with Wolves.
Yes, but is it like Wolves in the sense that it's a retelling of a story from the Old West, or is it like Wolves in the cinematic sense (beautiful scenery) and some plot similarities (soldier joins primitive tribe). If Cameron is retelling the relocation of Indian tribes, he sure doesn't seem to be saying it anywhere because he's too busy talking about how he's telling a story about 21st Century American policy.
Besides, if he's retelling Wolves, he would have to be retelling it as a revenge fantasy where the Indians rise up and destroy the whites with the help of the buffalo.
Bzzt... Wrong answer. Please show where Cameron said this and please show the full quote this time.
You've already provided it earlier in your post. I hope you didn't think I meant that Cameron actually told some interviewer "I'm pushing leftist garbage" or even "I'm making this movie so people will become Gaia-worshipping progressives" or some such. That would be pretty silly of you.
Let me repeat: "Other reviews have compared it to the films FernGully: The Last Rainforest[120] and Pocahontas.
I never said that Cameron mentioned FernGully. I said it was FernGully for adults. Me. Myself. Not James Cameron.
Having seen the movie, I think I'm in a stronger position to talk about what message is contained in the movie than someone, like you, who bases his conclusions solely on the opinions of others.
I base my opinion on the statements of the person who spent years of his life making the film. If you're too starry-eyed to catch on to the fact that you got your pocket picked by the Lefties, that's on you. Maybe next you can watch the Build-A-Bear webisodes and tell us they're really about Robert Peary going to the North Pole.
Oh, and one last thing: Unobtanium? He actually called it FREAKING UNOBTANIUM? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Truly, this is a cinematic masterpiece!
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