Obama birthplace lawyer denied new trial

Orange County Register ^ | 1-13-10 | Martin Wisckol

[El Gato]

Under the Constitution, Joe and Josephine Citizen have NO VOTE for the most powerful office in the world.

No direct vote, true, but that why I said "selected by", rather than "elected by" which was my first draft.

But they have other interests, such as preservation of their Liberty and their freedom. The Constitutional provision in question was written so that the person charged with defending both would have no personal foreign loyalties or ties, his loyalty would be to the United States, and it's Constitution, first and foremost, and pretty much exclusivly.

Obama probalby couldn't get clearance to serve coffee on AF-1. He has too many foreign relatives, including all but one of his many half siblings, and she is a citizen by statute, not a native born citizen, but that much would be OK.

[rxsid]

"judges are appointed, and serve for life-- so they were never meant to be makers of public policy"

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No one is asking them to make policy, although Lord knows they do that all the time.
Exactly. Just ask the newest member of SCOTUS.

"They are being asked to enforce the Constitution. Pretty simple really. If they won't do that, they are FReaking useless."
Right. Interpreting the intent of the framers, IS (part of) their job!

Is Barry an NBC as intended by the framers for the position of POTUS...or isn't he?

[Lurking Libertarian]

I would presume you do, otherwise...why the need for the "grandfather" clause? It certainly couldn't be because they knew they were "Citizen's" (& not NBC). Right?

They knew they were not citizens from birth-- they couldn't have been, because there was no USA for them to be citizens of before 1776. A Natural Born Citizen is someone who was a citizen from the moment of his birth.

[El Gato]

MrRobertPlant2009
Since Jan 14, 2010

Welcome to Free Republic.

[El Gato]

Right. Interpreting the intent of the framers, IS (part of) their job!

I would not say quite that. I would say their job is determine what the words of the Constitution meant when written and ratified. What the Framers were intending the effect of those words to be matters less. Although expressed intent can be used to help determine what the wording meant.

[MilspecRob]

You mean proof that Mr. Obama seems to have gone to rather ridiculous extremes to deny the various plaintiffs in these cases?

What extremes, Obama has only been represented by council in 3 of the 60 or so eligibility cases, all of which have been dismissed on the merit of standing.

[rxsid]

"They knew they were not citizens from birth-- they couldn't have been, because there was no USA for them to be citizens of before 1776. A Natural Born Citizen is someone who was a citizen from the moment of his birth. "

Of course.

So, they were not Naturalized Citizen's and they were not Natural Born Citizens.

They were, however, "Citizens" of the United States at the time of the signing of the Constitution. Since they were "Citizens", they knew they wouldn't pass the "NBC" test...therefore, they had to grandfather themselves in with this:

"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;"

[rxsid]

Correct.

[rxsid]

""Citizens" of the United States at the time of the signing of the Constitution."

Correction:

They were "Citizen's of the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution.

Furthermore, since they were "Citizen's" they meet the requirement for Senator's and Rep's and therefore there was no need for the same kind of grandfather clause for those requirements.

[mcshot]

Right you are. Those of us who have taken the oath “to protect against enemies foreign and domestic”... know the answer beyond question.

[Desron13]

"Accordingly, courts have held that, in essence, if everyone has standing, then no one has standing. This is not as paradoxical as it sounds; if an issue affects everyone, it should be resolved by the elected branches."

Not buying it. This is not a legal issue that requires any one citizen to receive redress. It by its very nature affects all citizens so indeed, all citizens have standing and any resulting remedy is applicable to all citizens. No conflict there. The elected branches are not disinterested parties in this case. They have a massive and self interested dog in this fight. The judiciary should be placing themselves squarely into the middle of this issue. That's what they were set up to do.

[Desron13]

"Accordingly, courts have held that, in essence, if everyone has standing, then no one has standing."

By the way, does this make any kind of sense to anyone else here? So if every parent in the country had a child murdered by an uber serial killer they would have no case in court?

[Desron13]

"What extremes, Obama has only been represented by council in 3 of the 60 or so eligibility cases, all of which have been dismissed on the merit of standing."

Oh really? Who were the additional opposing litigants in the other 57 cases and why did they bother to show up in court?

[FrankR]

"Even if irrefutable proof of Obama’s birth in Kenya or Indonesia was provided it would change nothing. We are so afraid of the rampant carnage (burning cities, murdering people of West-European descent) that would follow his removal from office that absolutely nothing would be done about it (other than maybe shooting the messenger). "

BTW, welcome to FR, 01/10/10...

So, Mr."oreryhombre"...you don't sound very "ornery" to me; you sound like that CNN reporter who hid under the table during the gulf war broadcast...shakin' in his boots.

I guess we should all wet our pants with the thought of riots in the cities and caucasion carnage, huh? Well, I'm guessing that out of the number of minorities that are so included to get radical, we might be talking 10% of the population.

But you forget one thing...the other 90% are angry too, and we've got guns too. Now if the major cities want to stand around and let these people act out and get new color TV sets from broken store windows, that's up to them...but based on the population numbers, I don't see mounds of white folks all dead from angry obama supporters.

Did you just sign up for FR to come and try to scare everyone from demanding that proof be presented to show that obama is legal or not? ARe you wearing a purple shirt as we speak?

If your schick is to scare the women and children, you'd better keep looking cause it ain't going to work here on FR. These colors (red, white, and blue) DON'T RUN.

You're saying we'd better burn the constitution so the black folks won get mad...if so, you'd better high tail it back to DU where the other pink pantied liberals hang out.

The coward dies a thousand deaths, the hero but once...which are you?

[Desron13]

"Accordingly, courts have held that, in essence, if everyone has standing, then no one has standing. This is not as paradoxical as it sounds; if an issue affects everyone, it should be resolved by the elected branches."

Which courts and by what right did they sight to make this tyrannical decision?

[Desron13]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. —Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

[Desron13]

Just saying...

[Desron13]

"deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."

There's the crux of the matter isn't it?

[STE=Q]

These colors (red, white, and blue) DON'T RUN.

Now THAT'S a tag line!!!

STE=Q

[patriot08]

JB Williams
Canada Free Press

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999

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Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.

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But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand.

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Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity are quiet co-conspirators in the silent coup. The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated only by political self-preservation.

(Snip)
Americans keep asking what they can do because they see that none of their leaders are doing anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. It’s the right question, because those leaders are NOT going to stop this thing.

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WHO WILL SAVE FREEDOM?
A brave few… This is how it was in the beginning, how it has always been and how it will be.

(Snip)
DR. ORLY TAITZ, Phil Berg and Gary Kreep, ALL OF WHOM HAVE MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP.

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A PRECIOUS FEW, BUT THEY EXIST… and the walls are indeed closing in on Obama and his evil cabal. IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FAIL TO GET BEHIND THESE BRAVE FEW WHO ARE SEEKING PEACEFUL REDRESS, ALL THE PEACEFUL OPTIONS WILL EVAPORATE AS IF THEY NEVER EXISTED. WE WILL RETURN TO A PRE-1776 AMERICA OVERNIGHT..

Do YOU fear Obama?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999

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A precious few, indeed. Lets get behind those few brave patriots who are out there in the trenches every day working to prove Obama’s inelgibility:

Dr. Orly has put her life’s blood into this fight. SHE HAS MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP FROM COWARDLY REPUBLICANS AND THE SCOTUS.

Dr. Orly is the ONLY one out there in the trenches EVERY day hitting Obama on multiple fronts and trying to bring him down. It is reported that she is more than $8,000 in debt from using her own funds for expenses in her flights across the U.S for interviews, speeches, serving papers and meeting with officials.

She has even gone to Isreal and Russia to spread the message about Obama’s inelgibility!

She states the case expertly, including the bc and natural born citizen aspect, when not abused by the U.S. state-controlled media. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132880

Sure, Dr. Orly makes mistakes. We all do. But Dr. Orly is no dummy. How many of us could go to a foreign country, learn 5 languages, establish a successful dental practice, a successful real estate business AND pass the California state bar- one of the hardest in the U.S. to pass?
She may be a ‘mail order’ attorney and not a Harvard lawyer, but she IS an attorney with all the rights and privilages of a Harvard lawyer nevertheless!
The point is; she has the passion, the zeal, the courage of her convictions and the love of America and its freedoms (unlike many of our ‘great’ attorneys and ‘patriots’ who criticize her) that will not let her give up!
She is exhausted. She is nervous. She is frustrated. It is reported that she gets by on 4-5 hours of sleep per night, and her family is very worried about her health- as well as her safety.
She makes mistakes. But she will NOT give up. She will keep on until she gets it right.

So let’s get behind this great little Russian refugee and great American patriot.
Stop tearing her apart. The Obots on FR don’t need our help.
The obots are scared to death of this little lady and her determination. That’s why they come out in droves all over the net on forums, chat rooms and even the national news to attack and ridicule.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcChG5pRTOE&feature=player_embedded

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