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To: AstroTurf _Queen
Lying is fraud. Fraud is a crime.

Next question.

26 posted on 02/04/2010 1:37:14 PM PST by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: Dead Corpse

Lying is not legal fraud. Lying is one element in fraud that has to be met in order to prosecute someone on the basis of fraud.


30 posted on 02/04/2010 1:38:55 PM PST by Perdogg ("Is that a bomb in your pants, or are you excited to come to America?")
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To: Dead Corpse

“Lying is fraud. Fraud is a crime.”

Incorrect.

Fraud means: (1) intentionally lie; (2) with the intent to defraud; (3) trick someone (reliance on the lie) and (4) cause damage by the lie.

If someone is just a faker without intent to get something (e.g., vet benefits, job, etc), then it’s not fraud.


40 posted on 02/04/2010 1:56:02 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Dead Corpse

That’s not true.

Simply lying is not fraud under any statute.

If someone uses fake medals to get government benefits, throw them in jail.

If someone uses fake medals to get attention at a Veterans Day parade....I don’t think that is anything that should be prosecuted.


58 posted on 02/04/2010 2:35:01 PM PST by MrRobertPlant2009
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