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To: DesertRhino

>I’ll go there. Because royalty is despotic by it’s very essence.

Then please explain why Jesus in not only a king, but the King of Kings, and not merely “Despotism Made Flesh”.

>And after Thomas Paine wrote “common sense”, and utterly filleted the concept of royaly about 6 ways, it’s inexcusable to defend it.

Ah, well here I am Defending it. Royalty is not, by nature, inherently evil.

>You really need to read it,, it’s a tour de force on the topic of royalty.

And here I thought it was “a tour de force on the topic of royalty AS IMPLEMENTED BY CORRUPT MAN.”

>It’s a red herring to say hitler was elected.

Not really. A -> B is NOT the same as ~A -> ~B. IOW we have to define our playing-field for the debate; by stating that diplomatic processes can give rise to evil rulers, and non-diplomatic ones can give rise to good rulers I am steering the debate towards Character and human-nature.

>Maybe he was, but so what? The mere fact that an evil man was elected, in no way can logically give support to royalty as a concept, hereditery positions, and devine right.

See above.
“Hereditary-Position -> Evil-Person” is not the same as “Not-Evil-Person -> Not-Hereditary-Position”.

>It does not logically follow that if a bad man can be sometimes get elected, that royalty is good.

True, but the other-way works too: if bad men are sometimes born to power it does not mean that elections are good.


56 posted on 03/11/2010 2:35:13 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

“Then please explain why Jesus in not only a king”

Uhmmmm,,, because he wasn’t a king? There was no “king jesus”. Even he never claimed to be an earthly king.

“And here I thought it was “a tour de force on the topic of royalty AS IMPLEMENTED BY CORRUPT MAN.””

Proving you didnt read it ever,, because it specifically and masterfully proves that monarchies cannot possibly be divinely ordained. That the argument that they are ordained of god is silly. It further examines the complete history of monarchies and shows the absence of morality in them as a concept. Again,, read the book.
And you tried to use this “good king”, as an example of the good of monarchies,, but you neglect to tell us how he dies, and of the next several generations. You also forgot to tell us how his dynasty began.

And if you believe God ordained some monarchs back then,, what happened now? He just change his mind about government of earth, and not want us to have earthly kings now? LOL


62 posted on 03/11/2010 2:48:07 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: OneWingedShark

“if bad men are sometimes born to power it does not mean that elections are good.”

And as long as elections are the expectation is that the bum can be thrown out. If he turns into a Hitler, violence is proper. But how exactly do you get rid of a monarchy? How do you get rid of the windsors?

You can’t, you just have to hope the next seed is better??


63 posted on 03/11/2010 2:50:36 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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