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To: DesertRhino

For extra credit, explain why if the royals are there by divine right,,,appointed by God, that the Magna Carta was needed? It would seem tacky to try to limit the rights of God’s chosen ruler,,wouldn’t it?

You can’t have it both ways,,If God appointed his temporal leaders, they should clearly be unchecked by anyone but God himself. On the other hand, if they arent appointed by God, they are nothing but despots who have siezed power without the consent of the governed.

Face it,, tourism is the only reason for the British Royals to exist.


64 posted on 03/11/2010 2:56:48 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino

Perhaps when you are slating Britain and England for being all that is evil and despicable, you should remember the origins of your American concepts of freedom and liberty.
They come from England and the English traditions of Magna Carta, the Peasant’s Revolt, the English Civil War, the Levellers, the ‘Glorious Revolution’ and the 1689 Bill of Rights, John Lock, ‘Freeborn’ John Lilburne, Thomas Paine etc etc etc.

Its also worth remembering that after we successfully deposed our wannabe ‘diving right of kings’ absolute monarch Charles I, England was turned into a military dictatorship by Oliver Cromwell, who also smashed the Levellers, who were the forerunners and ideological ancestors of the American founding fathers (who immediately prior to 1776, saw themselves as Englishmen and considered their struggle part of fighting for their natural rights as Englishmen).
This republican military dictatorship was in many ways as bad as, and sometimes even worse than the tyranny that Charles I tried to impose, made worse by the fact that Oliver’s position was stronger than that of King Charles, because after he destroyed the levellers, he had the full backing of the only substantial, trained, and experienced army in the land, the New Model Army, which he himself had created.
The monarchy was brought back and eventually made subject to Parliament, since 1689. BTW, did you know that George III basically surrendered the last realistic vestige of his independence from Parliament in 1760 by handing over the revenue of the Crown Estates in return for a Parliamentary stipend approved by Parliament? With this he lost whatever financial independence he had left, and he, as with every monarch since, has been completely beholden to the elected Parliament, and it was this Parliament, not George III, which was responsible for provoking the American War of Independence...


67 posted on 03/11/2010 3:19:15 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: DesertRhino

>For extra credit, explain why if the royals are there by divine right,,,appointed by God, that the Magna Carta was needed?

For the same reason that God gave capital punishment in the Mosaic law, even though the Noah-covenant included commands to humankind to shed the blood of those who shed blood (God is serious about man being made in His image); there are evils that societies must not allow, lest they be destroyed.

>It would seem tacky to try to limit the rights of God’s chosen ruler,,wouldn’t it?

Nope. Just because a ruler is appointed by God does not mean that the ruler’s Area-of-Operations is unlimited. As an example, Saul’s royal-line/claim/appointment was terminated due to his acting outside his appointed Authority. (The incident where Saul acted in the place of Samuel, the priest.)


73 posted on 03/11/2010 3:56:09 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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