Jogger killed by wolves shows wisdom of national park gun rule change

Louis Gun Rights Examiner ^ | March 13, 2010 | Kurt Hofmann

[Aut Pax Aut Bellum]

Some laws are made to be broken. I have broken that law every damn time I've gone to a national park. I'm still alive...
Same here. Have for years. State game lands (off season),too. Usually conceal a 10mm. Figure it won't be an issue unless I need it.

[Aut Pax Aut Bellum]

Give me a frigging break. I've walked thousands of miles in Yellowstone and Glacier and Ive never needed a fire arm to protect me from the critters there both human and animal.. I'm pro gun but I dont want to be associated with folks so afraid of wolves they need a gun to venture into the national parks..geez
Actually, in remote areas it's more people I am concerned about. Like the guy years ago stalking and killing hikers on the Appalachian trail....

[hiredhand]

It's hard for an urban public to wrap its "brains" around pack behavior. To wolves in search of a kill, everything is expendable, including each other. Hence, they will attack without regard for the losses because, they're food too.

Actually, one guy told me that if you could wound one, there was a possibility that the rest would turn on it and be occupied long enough for you to find a good tree to climb!... because they would turn on the wounded one and eat it.

[george76]

Yes, they should.

Will they ?

The liberals are for a time out and understanding ?

[Carry_Okie]

You appear to be the only one here who understands that the predator class will attack anything it thinks is afraid and fleeing from them.

Do you have difficulty with arithmetic?

[reasonisfaith]

“when out in the big woods amongst the really wild creatures, you are on their turf”

I don’t see it that way.

God gave us dominion over animals. The second amendment creates the additional benefit of enforcing that dominion.

[Jay Redhawk]

Bears and mountain lions I worry about, but wolves and coyotes I just don’t believe are something that humans would normally have to fear in the wild. I have done a lot of walking in national parks and in the country, and the worst thing I ever encountered was a rattlesnake.

[george76]

Even coyotes, like the ones that killed young Canadian folksinger Taylor Mitchell, should be respected.

IMHO

http://www.varmintal.com/attac.htm

[george76]

The partially-eaten body of Candice Berner, 32, was found after search teams on snowmobiles followed a trail of blood through woodland at Chignik Lake.

The chilling attack has left locals in the tiny village of Chignik in fear of their own lives, forcing parents to escort their children to school and leading others to mount armed patrols in an attempt to prevent further tragedy. Villagers have reported fresh wolf-tracks in the snow close to their community, adding to safety concerns.

several villagers at Chignik Lake had reported “threatening encounters” with them in recent days.

State troopers who investigated the scene found pawprints around Ms Berner’s body, which had been torn and partially eaten, and bloody drag marks in the snow. They found that she was probably chased down and attacked for around 150 feet before she went down.

“She was bleeding as she was being moved, being dragged, and there was damage to the throat,” said Cpl Holloway.

“The medical examiner concluded that she wasn’t killed by any other method and that the damage to the throat was severe. There were animal bite marks on the throat. Wolves, just like big cats, usually attack the wind pipe area and try to control the victim that way.”

[Jay Redhawk]

Those are really unusual events. None the less, I have no problem recommending someone carry a 357 magnum. Unless you are in some other way breaking the law, no Ranger is going to shake you down looking for a concealed weapon. So I would agree that it is better to pack some heat than wind up being part of a wilderness aberration.

[lapsus calami]

 

 

Well, perhaps you haven't been way out in a big forest of nowhere, outside of the comfort zone of any and all civilization and living in it for a protracted length of time. The rules of interaction are different there and are dictated by the instincts of the animal inhabitants. Accept it or not, they do set the tempo. Having a gun is only part of the equation, it's more important to know your woodcraft and know it well, which goes far towards avoiding any sort of confrontation. I wandered the big woods at high elevations on and off for a number of years, never had to scuffle with or draw down on anything - it's a matter of having a feel for the neighborhood and knowing the do's and the don'ts. I had more negative issues with interloping people than with the forest critters - well, except for maybe those dang pickpocketing chipmunks and greyjays. Thieving little #%&!!!

 

 

[ASOC]

THanks for the update. The WX has been so crappy (duh!) the Troopers have not been able to get a chpper into the AO.

THe village has asked that “all” wolves be shot - and given the lack of moose, I would say it is a reasonable request.

Until some Greenie tree-hugger from San Fran-sicko goes to court to stop them them.

In which case, I sure the locals have everything they need to do the deed on the QT.

[george76]

Hopefully, the villagers can now legally hunt on near by public lands (with permission from government beaurocrats who have banned wolf hunting on government land that they stole from the public ) .

[midwyf]

The wolves are really doing a number on ranchers, which of course is exactly what the enviros want. They seem totally unable to make the connection between food and ranching. Having the land to play on is all that matters.

[wardaddy]

I carried a gun into many national parks openly in the 70s..rangers sure didn’t care

one told me it might not be big enough..lol...357mag

[jazusamo]

When the weather does clear they should log many hours hunting wolves in this area. Until that happens I’d bet there are many hunters out with the intent to kill any wolf they can find, near or not so near to their villiage, at least I hope so.

[proud_yank]

Bears and mountain lions I worry about, but wolves and coyotes I just don’t believe are something that humans would normally have to fear in the wild.

I think you're 'priorities' are right, but wouldn't go that far with the latter part of your statement. I've had more than my share of bear encounters, but have also had coyotes pack up on me before too. Not far from where I live, a woman walking her dog had a pack of wolves close in on her and go after her dog while on leash. It was a hard winter, they were hungry and undeterred by her presence.

Predators are interesting. Bears all have their own personality, and have been told the same is true for wolves though I've only seen a few of them, and nothing too 'personal'.

They're wild animals, treat them with respect. Proper precautions, awareness and good judgement are your best defense, a gun is there as your last line of defense. Always good to be prepared, but if someone is attacked they're lucky to get a single shot off. The FR bear thread mandated machine gun and/or cannon are unnecessary, and a .22 would be a better choice if you can actually hit something with it.

[proud_yank]

Hopefully, the villagers can now legally hunt on near by public lands (with permission from government beaurocrats who have banned wolf hunting on government land that they stole from the public ) .

Out in the villages, if there is a wild threat it is usually dealt with regardless of what someone in DC says.

[Osage Orange]

The FR bear thread mandated machine gun and/or cannon are unnecessary, and a .22 would be a better choice if you can actually hit something with it.

LOL!!

A .22 is no caliber for a bear!!

You've no idea what you are talking about...........

[ctdonath2]

.38 +P 129 grain HYDRA_SHOK JHP

Ghezunteit.