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Healthcare bills lack protections against treatment denials, experts say
latimes ^ | October 19, 2009 | Lisa Girion

Posted on 03/23/2010 5:45:54 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3

Measures pending in Congress push insurers to keep down costs and cover all regardless of health. That leaves the firms with a big cost-containment tool: refusing requests to cover treatments.

Despite growing frustration with the way health insurers deny medical treatments, major healthcare bills pending in Congress would give patients little new power to challenge those sometimes life-and-death decisions.

"Right now, the deck is stacked against patients," said Bryan Liang, director of the Institute of Health Law Studies at California Western Law School in San Diego. "Healthcare reform is not going to change the ball game."

Yet a patient's ability to fight insurers' coverage decisions could be more important than ever because Congress, in promoting cost containment and price competition, may actually add to the pressure on insurers to deny requests for treatment.

By requiring insurers to cover everyone, regardless of pre-existing conditions, healthcare reform will make it more difficult for insurers to control their costs, or "bend the cost curve," by avoiding sick people.

That leaves insurers with the other big cost-containment tool: turning down requests to cover treatments.

"There are going to be a lot of denials," said insurance industry analyst Robert Laszewski, a former health insurance executive. "I am not setting insurance companies up to be villains. But we are telling them to bend the cost curve. How else are they going to bend the cost curve?"

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: denials; health; insurance; obamacre

1 posted on 03/23/2010 5:45:55 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3
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To: TornadoAlley3

And if they do, can you choose to self pay or is that verboten too.


2 posted on 03/23/2010 5:49:06 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: TornadoAlley3

This is going to get interesting..

yep, we will cover you...but uh...sorry...you can’t have that treatment...

the Sheeple don’t get it, yet.


3 posted on 03/23/2010 5:49:37 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
ROFL!

Yep, and everyone will say OBAMA”S FAULT!

4 posted on 03/23/2010 5:55:54 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: TornadoAlley3

RE :”That leaves insurers with the other big cost-containment tool: turning down requests to cover treatments. “

Good point. Republicans need to trot out everyone denied a treatment and point directly at Obama-care, sort of payback for what they were doing.


5 posted on 03/23/2010 5:56:53 AM PDT by sickoflibs (( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is spending you demand stupid"))
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To: TornadoAlley3
I'm confused about why people keep using the word "reform" in describing this healthcare bill. "Reform" implies improvement.

This bill is a healthcare "cluster f#$%ing"

6 posted on 03/23/2010 6:03:43 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: TornadoAlley3

Doh— How else can costs be contained, unless expensive treatments are denied? What do people think the death panels are all about? Hint: denial of treatment.

I expect this Lisa Girion will lose her job at the LA Times soon. Reporters aren’t supposed to point out major flaws in socialism. They’re supposed to portray it as all milk and honey, rainbows and butterflies.


7 posted on 03/23/2010 6:10:29 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Medicare denies more claims than any private insurer. There was a story in our local newspaper this Sunday that said a woman’s life-saving treatment was denied by her insurer. Problem was, that insurer is MEDICARE. Get used to it, people.


8 posted on 03/23/2010 6:11:21 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: Trust but Verify

bttt


9 posted on 03/23/2010 6:24:44 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Everyone in America should be entitled to just move into a hospital bed and stay until they get sick of the food. By Gawd that is our unalienable RIGHT and the Hospitals have no right to make us leave!


10 posted on 03/23/2010 6:29:09 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: TornadoAlley3

btt


11 posted on 03/23/2010 6:30:35 AM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Lol — Now they cover this in the LA Times. I am shocked. SHOCKED!


12 posted on 03/23/2010 6:34:13 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: TornadoAlley3
Obama’s constant rant about how insurance companies deny coverage to people with preexisting conditions is very disingenuous when Obamacare while giving supposed coverage to everyone will deny or limit treatment to many of these same people. Unlike the insurance companies where their denials of coverage could be appealed or taken to court, denials in Obamacare cannot be appealed.
13 posted on 03/23/2010 6:36:45 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: TornadoAlley3

The Left is out there today claiming that insurance companies will still refuse to cover pre-existing conditions because the fine for that is only $100/day, far cheaper than the treatment in many cases.

If this is true, it just goes to show that Congress wrote this bill with an eye towards enhancing their revenue streams, and not out of any sense of altruism.


14 posted on 03/23/2010 6:58:55 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

The House Republican Conference has compiled a list of all the new boards, bureaucracies, commissions, and programs created in H.R. 3962, Speaker Pelosi’s government takeover of health care:

1. Retiree Reserve Trust Fund (Section 111(d), p. 61)

2. Grant program for wellness programs to small employers (Section 112, p. 62)

3. Grant program for State health access programs (Section 114, p. 72)

4. Program of administrative simplification (Section 115, p. 76)

5. Health Benefits Advisory Committee (Section 223, p. 111)

6. Health Choices Administration (Section 241, p. 131)

7. Qualified Health Benefits Plan Ombudsman (Section 244, p. 138)

8. Health Insurance Exchange (Section 201, p. 155)

9. Program for technical assistance to employees of small businesses buying Exchange coverage (Section 305(h), p. 191)

10. Mechanism for insurance risk pooling to be established by Health Choices Commissioner (Section 306(b), p. 194)

11. Health Insurance Exchange Trust Fund (Section 307, p. 195)

12. State-based Health Insurance Exchanges (Section 308, p. 197)

13. Grant program for health insurance cooperatives (Section 310, p. 206)

14. “Public Health Insurance Option” (Section 321, p. 211)

15. Ombudsman for “Public Health Insurance Option” (Section 321(d), p. 213)

16. Account for receipts and disbursements for “Public Health Insurance Option” (Section 322(b), p. 215)

17. Telehealth Advisory Committee (Section 1191 (b), p. 589)

18. Demonstration program providing reimbursement for “culturally and linguistically appropriate services” (Section 1222, p. 617)

19. Demonstration program for shared decision making using patient decision aids (Section 1236, p. 648)

20. Accountable Care Organization pilot program under Medicare (Section 1301, p. 653)

21. Independent patient-centered medical home pilot program under Medicare (Section 1302, p. 672)

22. Community-based medical home pilot program under Medicare (Section 1302(d), p. 681)

23. Independence at home demonstration program (Section 1312, p. 718)

24. Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research (Section 1401(a), p. 734)

25. Comparative Effectiveness Research Commission (Section 1401(a), p. 738)

26. Patient ombudsman for comparative effectiveness research (Section 1401(a), p. 753)

27. Quality assurance and performance improvement program for skilled nursing facilities (Section 1412(b)(1), p. 784)

28. Quality assurance and performance improvement program for nursing facilities (Section 1412 (b)(2), p. 786)

29. Special focus facility program for skilled nursing facilities (Section 1413(a)(3), p. 796)

30. Special focus facility program for nursing facilities (Section 1413(b)(3), p. 804)

31. National independent monitor pilot program for skilled nursing facilities and nursing facilities (Section 1422, p. 859)

32. Demonstration program for approved teaching health centers with respect to Medicare GME (Section 1502(d), p. 933)

33. Pilot program to develop anti-fraud compliance systems for Medicare providers (Section 1635, p. 978)

34. Special Inspector General for the Health Insurance Exchange (Section 1647, p. 1000)

35. Medical home pilot program under Medicaid (Section 1722, p. 1058)

36. Accountable Care Organization pilot program under Medicaid (Section 1730A, p. 1073)

37. Nursing facility supplemental payment program (Section 1745, p. 1106)

38. Demonstration program for Medicaid coverage to stabilize emergency medical conditions in institutions for mental diseases (Section 1787, p. 1149)

39. Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund (Section 1802, p. 1162)

40. “Identifiable office or program” within CMS to “provide for improved coordination between Medicare and Medicaid in the case of dual eligibles” (Section 1905, p. 1191)

41. Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation (Section 1907, p. 1198)

42. Public Health Investment Fund (Section 2002, p. 1214)

43. Scholarships for service in health professional needs areas (Section 2211, p. 1224)

44. Program for training medical residents in community-based settings (Section 2214, p. 1236)

45. Grant program for training in dentistry programs (Section 2215, p. 1240)

46. Public Health Workforce Corps (Section 2231, p. 1253)

47. Public health workforce scholarship program (Section 2231, p. 1254)

48. Public health workforce loan forgiveness program (Section 2231, p. 1258)

49. Grant program for innovations in interdisciplinary care (Section 2252, p. 1272)

50. Advisory Committee on Health Workforce Evaluation and Assessment (Section 2261, p. 1275)

51. Prevention and Wellness Trust (Section 2301, p. 1286)

52. Clinical Prevention Stakeholders Board (Section 2301, p. 1295)

53. Community Prevention Stakeholders Board (Section 2301, p. 1301)

54. Grant program for community prevention and wellness research (Section 2301, p. 1305)

55. Grant program for research and demonstration projects related to wellness incentives (Section 2301, p. 1305)

56. Grant program for community prevention and wellness services (Section 2301, p. 1308)

57. Grant program for public health infrastructure (Section 2301, p. 1313)

58. Center for Quality Improvement (Section 2401, p. 1322)

59. Assistant Secretary for Health Information (Section 2402, p. 1330)

60. Grant program to support the operation of school-based health clinics (Section 2511, p. 1352)

61. Grant program for nurse-managed health centers (Section 2512, p. 1361)

62. Grants for labor-management programs for nursing training (Section 2521, p. 1372)

63. Grant program for interdisciplinary mental and behavioral health training (Section 2522, p. 1382)

64. “No Child Left Unimmunized Against Influenza” demonstration grant program (Section 2524, p. 1391)

65. Healthy Teen Initiative grant program regarding teen pregnancy (Section 2526, p. 1398)

66. Grant program for interdisciplinary training, education, and services for individuals with autism (Section 2527(a), p. 1402)

67. University centers for excellence in developmental disabilities education (Section 2527(b), p. 1410)

68. Grant program to implement medication therapy management services (Section 2528, p. 1412)

69. Grant program to promote positive health behaviors in underserved communities (Section 2530, p. 1422)

70. Grant program for State alternative medical liability laws (Section 2531, p. 1431)

71. Grant program to develop infant mortality programs (Section 2532, p. 1433)

72. Grant program to prepare secondary school students for careers in health professions (Section 2533, p. 1437)

73. Grant program for community-based collaborative care (Section 2534, p. 1440)

74. Grant program for community-based overweight and obesity prevention (Section 2535, p. 1457)

75. Grant program for reducing the student-to-school nurse ratio in primary and secondary schools (Section 2536, p. 1462)

76. Demonstration project of grants to medical-legal partnerships (Section 2537, p. 1464)

77. Center for Emergency Care under the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response (Section 2552, p. 1478)

78. Council for Emergency Care (Section 2552, p 1479)

79. Grant program to support demonstration programs that design and implement regionalized emergency care systems (Section 2553, p. 1480)

80. Grant program to assist veterans who wish to become emergency medical technicians upon discharge (Section 2554, p. 1487)

81. Interagency Pain Research Coordinating Committee (Section 2562, p. 1494)

82. National Medical Device Registry (Section 2571, p. 1501)

83. CLASS Independence Fund (Section 2581, p. 1597)

84. CLASS Independence Fund Board of Trustees (Section 2581, p. 1598)

85. CLASS Independence Advisory Council (Section 2581, p. 1602)

86. Health and Human Services Coordinating Committee on Women’s Health (Section 2588, p. 1610)

87. National Women’s Health Information Center (Section 2588, p. 1611)

88. Centers for Disease Control Office of Women’s Health (Section 2588, p. 1614)

89. Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality Office of Women’s Health and Gender-Based Research (Section 2588, p. 1617)

90. Health Resources and Services Administration Office of Women’s Health (Section 2588, p. 1618)

91. Food and Drug Administration Office of Women’s Health (Section 2588, p. 1621)

92. Personal Care Attendant Workforce Advisory Panel (Section 2589(a)(2), p. 1624)

93. Grant program for national health workforce online training (Section 2591, p. 1629)

94. Grant program to disseminate best practices on implementing health workforce investment programs (Section 2591, p. 1632)

95. Demonstration program for chronic shortages of health professionals (Section 3101, p. 1717)

96. Demonstration program for substance abuse counselor educational curricula (Section 3101, p. 1719)

97. Program of Indian community education on mental illness (Section 3101, p. 1722)

98. Intergovernmental Task Force on Indian environmental and nuclear hazards (Section 3101, p. 1754)

99. Office of Indian Men’s Health (Section 3101, p. 1765)

100.Indian Health facilities appropriation advisory board (Section 3101, p. 1774)

101.Indian Health facilities needs assessment workgroup (Section 3101, p. 1775)

102.Indian Health Service tribal facilities joint venture demonstration projects (Section 3101, p. 1809)

103.Urban youth treatment center demonstration project (Section 3101, p. 1873)

104.Grants to Urban Indian Organizations for diabetes prevention (Section 3101, p. 1874)

105.Grants to Urban Indian Organizations for health IT adoption (Section 3101, p. 1877)

106.Mental health technician training program (Section 3101, p. 1898)

107.Indian youth telemental health demonstration project (Section 3101, p. 1909)

108.Program for treatment of child sexual abuse victims and perpetrators (Section 3101, p. 1925)

109.Program for treatment of domestic violence and sexual abuse (Section 3101, p. 1927)

110.Native American Health and Wellness Foundation (Section 3103, p. 1966)

111.Committee for the Establishment of the Native American Health and Wellness Foundation (Section 3103, p. 1968)


15 posted on 03/23/2010 7:12:59 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/o/l/oleeb/2010/03/a-few-questions-about-the-heal.php?ref=recdc

A Few Questions About The Health Insurance Bill
March 18, 2010

Question 4. Is the bill going to stop insurance companies from denying coverage to those with previously existing medical conditions?

No, not right away and maybe not at all.

The bill allows insurance companies to keep denying coverage to sick children like they do presently for 6 months after enactment. The bill also gives the insurance companies an additional 4 years of denying adults coverage or dropping them due to previous conditions before they have to stop that immoral practice. Once the regulations take effect, insurance companies will face a paltry $100/day fine if they violate the rule. With fines that low it is quite likely insurance companies will choose to pay the fines as opposed to the more expensive medical care they should provide. It only makes sense for them to do so. After all, they aren’t in the healthcare business. Insurance companies are in the profit business. If given a choice between increasing their profits or not, is it reasonable or prudent to expect the insurance companies to lower their profits and cover those who need expensive treatments out of the goodness of their hearts?


16 posted on 03/23/2010 7:54:02 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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