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1 posted on 04/23/2010 11:02:10 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

The 17th was the greatest damage to federalism between the Civil War and the New Deal and arguably more damaging than the New Deal.


2 posted on 04/23/2010 11:10:09 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (NEW TAG ====> **REPEAL OR REBEL!** -- Islam Delenda Est! -- Rumble thee forth)
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To: bamahead

fyi


3 posted on 04/23/2010 11:25:09 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: Bokababe; dcwusmc; Favor Center; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; exit82; AmericanInTokyo; AuntB; ...
The three part preoccupation with establishing a permanent majority, the cult of personality (including the veneration of President Reagan), and dubious tactics to secure required ends is a postmodern perversion of conservatism, and these tendencies distract from the core values that make conservatives critical to the sustainability of society.

Of possible interest to you all.

5 posted on 04/23/2010 11:26:56 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: neverdem

Excellent post — thanks.


9 posted on 04/24/2010 12:10:04 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (I can see November from my house!)
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To: neverdem
Wresting electoral power from the People seems a fool's errand.

Perhaps what we need is something like an electoral college for senators or some such device to compensate for weaknesses of direct election by state residents.

13 posted on 04/24/2010 12:59:08 AM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenerio at a time.)
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To: neverdem
Good article but he fails to include the corrupt and complicit media's role in the passage of health care reform. Without which the bill would not have passed, or Obama elected for that matter.

"Now that both Representatives and Senators have an identical interest (pandering to the citizenry) Congress is one herd of cattle in two pens."

Exactly.

14 posted on 04/24/2010 2:04:13 AM PDT by FTJM
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To: neverdem
Cant see anybody getting behind this either intellectually or financially. Repealing the 17th would have no interest among the voters..
15 posted on 04/24/2010 2:12:10 AM PDT by montanajoe
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To: neverdem
Repealing the 17th Amendment would be a good thing, but to put an end to Washington's voracity, it's the 16th that has to go. The 16th Amendment is what makes redistribution, and therefore the special-interest dynamic, the driving force of American politics.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Curmudgeon Emeritus of Eternity Road

16 posted on 04/24/2010 3:36:00 AM PDT by fporretto (This tagline is programming you in ways that will not be apparent for years. Forget! Forget!)
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To: neverdem

I have thought about the repeal of the 17Th Amendment and I’m still not sure that would be a good move.
The roll of State and Federal government should be creating a Level Playing Field. What is good for one is good for all. Instead we have State and Federal government picking “Winners and Losers” with tax codes and regulations.(It reminds me of my childhood when I earned money and my parents would tell me how I could spend my earnings or else.)
What do Lobbyist do? Their job is to tilt the “Playing Field” in the favor of “One” at the expense of the “Rest” through tax laws and/or regulations. So now our taxes and regulations’ “Playing Field” looks like the Rocky Mountains with hundreds of thousands codes.
If we had a very simple tax code, either a “Fair” or “Flat” with no Exemptions, would not that eliminate 90% of the BS and corruption in Government?


17 posted on 04/24/2010 4:19:02 AM PDT by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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To: neverdem

Far more than merely repealing amendments we must irrevocably change minds not just opinions on certain issues. There is a disconnect when 80% claim to be conservatives when in the same breath on other polls almost 45% still support Obama. We need to learn that politics are emotions and most people vote with emotions, regardless of logic. Conservatives had better understand this or we will die. It’s fine to discuss ideas amongst ourselves. We need to go out there and proselytize. Temporary victories must be opportunities to turn the national ideology into a permanent majority. That has been the goal of the left since day one. We have not reciprocated.


18 posted on 04/24/2010 7:49:28 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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Repeal the 17th Amendment!

Amen!



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21 posted on 04/24/2010 9:44:51 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: neverdem
2) Conservatives distrust the coercive power of individual celebrity, putting their faith in just institutions.
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Ok...While I agree that the 17th Amendment should be repealed and would be an improvement, the root cause America's dysfunction is spiritual sickness.

For years now I have been posting that conservatives assiduously hack away at the trees ( immediate legislative bills before congress) and are oblivious to the fact that atheistic, secular humanist, Marxists are continually planting forests all around us! The Marxist do these by means of our government K-12 schools and colleges, the media, and the arts.

Conservatives MUST MUST MUST do two things:

1)Work to bring a spiritual revival to all Americans.

2) Conservatives MUST MUST MUST work to shut down and get our nation's children out of our temples of atheistic, secular humanist, Marxism!!!! ( Mis-named “public” schools)

Conservatives MUST MUST MUST work to see that every child in the U.S. has access to a private education that teaches and supports our nation's founding principles and our Judeo Christian values and **thoroughly** integrates these values into all of their school policies and courses.

If conservatives were to do this, within 10 years our nation's college classrooms would be full to the brim with students who were well prepared to defend their faith and our nation's founding principles. Their Marxist professors would wither before their righteousness. Soon these young people would be taking their place in academia, the media, and the arts.

Government schools can NOT be reformed. Simply by attending, children learn to be comfortable with having the government take money from their neighbor to pay for a service their parents want for tuition-free. Well?....If the government can take money from a neighbor for tution-free school, why not a thousand other wants and needs?

Atheistic Marxism is our nation's MOST serious threat. Government schools are the Marxist's MOST powerful weapon.

23 posted on 04/24/2010 10:55:18 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: neverdem

Very good article. This needs to be talked about so much more.


26 posted on 04/24/2010 6:44:54 PM PDT by Clump (the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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