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1 posted on 04/27/2010 9:34:19 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem; Willie Green
Peak oil has been a global preoccupation since the 1970s, and the warnings get louder with each passing year. Environmentalists emphasize the importance of placing limits on consumption of fossil fuels, but haven't been successful in encouraging people to consume less energy—even with the force of law at their backs.

Willie,

This is relevant to your interests. What about "Peak Steel?" If we run out of steel we can't make any more rails!

2 posted on 04/27/2010 9:39:32 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: neverdem

My nephew told me about “peak phosphorous”. It’s a serious issue, since the economic sources of phosphorous for fertilizer are mined. The phosphorous persists, of course, in elemental form, but it is dispersed and difficult to recover.


3 posted on 04/27/2010 9:47:39 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: neverdem

The problems of “peak oil” and “peak lithium” and “peak phosphorus” and “peak” anything else you can think of are solved by the magic of “economics”.

As demand grows, as supplies of something become harder to get, the price goes up. This encourages people to go farther afield to find more, and it encourages people to find alternatives. The higher price is an incentive to inventors and entrepreneurs and its an incentive to folks like us to find another way.

You don’t have to do anything except follow the logic of the situation. No government mandate needed, no government grandee to tell you to do what you would do anyway without him.

Its funny. If an oil company charges $4 a gallon for gasoline because they are having to go farther to get it, thats bad. If government adds a buck tax to $3 gasoline to encourage you to look for alternatives, somehow thats good.

No. If supplies get harder to get, it’ll go to $4 or $6 a gallon, and people will invent and invest and they’ll come up with alternatives without anyone to tell them to.


5 posted on 04/27/2010 10:06:03 PM PDT by marron
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To: neverdem

“Rare earth minerals independence”

In the 50’s I did research at a major university on rare earth extraction processes on both a lab and pilot plant scale. We have the technology, if we were to dust it off and put it to use. Phosphate rock from certain parts of this country were our rare earth sources then. We had processes that could have been turned into an economical source of the various rare earth minerals. But we had not yet developed a demand, and much of that technology is likely dormant today. It could be resusitated.


6 posted on 04/27/2010 10:18:19 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: neverdem

I think Palladium will be on this list very soon.


8 posted on 04/27/2010 10:36:50 PM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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To: neverdem

While I agree that many of the rare earth applications have a work-around or substitute available, this is not the case with crude oil. There is simply nothing else - wind, solar, etc., — that offers the energy rate of return that oil does. It is a large part of the economic growth we have enjoyed for decades.

Yes, we can do some combination of conservation, drilling at home, alternative sources such as nuclear, and withstand a certain level of oil price increase. At $150 a barrel oil, though, the airline industry contracts dramatically, and major lifestyle changes will be needed. There is a certain irony that the electric cars substitute a depleting energy source (oil) for a rare earth element (lithium).


10 posted on 04/27/2010 10:48:50 PM PDT by Dark Fired Tobacco
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11 posted on 04/27/2010 11:28:24 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

What about Wipped Cream and the perfect peak?


14 posted on 04/28/2010 12:02:31 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: neverdem

How about “Peak Taxes”?


17 posted on 04/28/2010 3:29:20 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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