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Placing the Blame as Students Are Buried in Debt
NY Times ^ | May 28, 2010 | By RON LIEBER

Posted on 05/29/2010 4:16:21 AM PDT by STONEWALLS

"Like many middle-class families, Cortney Munna and her mother began the college selection process with a grim determination. They would do whatever they could to get Cortney into the best possible college, and they maintained a blind faith that the investment would be worth it.

Today, however, Ms. Munna, a 26-year-old graduate of New York University, has nearly $100,000 in student loan debt from her four years in college, and affording the full monthly payments would be a struggle. For much of the time since her 2005 graduation, she’s been enrolled in night school, which allows her to defer loan payments.

This is not a long-term solution, because the interest on the loans continues to pile up. So in an eerie echo of the mortgage crisis, tens of thousands of people like Ms. Munna are facing a reckoning. They and their families made borrowing decisions based more on emotion than reason, much as subprime borrowers assumed the value of their houses would always go up."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: blame; buried; college; colleges; debt; economy; education; highereducation; placing; studentloans; students; universities
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...this young woman has an interdisciplinary degree in religious and women’s studies....colleges ought to tell students: "look, this stuff might be interesting to you, but check out employment suitability before you rack up big debt over this."....but of course, they can't say this...women's studies professors need the work.
1 posted on 05/29/2010 4:16:22 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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kids we hired for engineering are all on average 50 k in debt

at least they have paying jobs


2 posted on 05/29/2010 4:18:41 AM PDT by Flavius
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To: STONEWALLS

Zer0’s fault.


3 posted on 05/29/2010 4:20:29 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: STONEWALLS

Bookmark


4 posted on 05/29/2010 4:21:29 AM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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>>...this young woman has an interdisciplinary degree in religious and women’s studies

I expect kids to be stupid. That’s their right. But any parent that would borrow money to get their child a useless degree like this deserves whatever they get.


5 posted on 05/29/2010 4:22:35 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Think globally, act locally--beat up your neighborhood hippie communist.)
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“...interdisciplinary degree in religious and women’s studies.”

Did she work any of her way through?


6 posted on 05/29/2010 4:27:27 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: STONEWALLS

Interesting article. My daughter was accepted at NYU but we did not let her attend due to the loans she would have had to rack up. She was extremely disappointed.

She attended our state university on a free ride and later received so many other scholarships that she actually made a profit. She now has a full year’s salary saved up from her job and is debt free. She is happy with the way things turned out.


7 posted on 05/29/2010 4:28:59 AM PDT by Wage Slave (Army Mom!)
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...this young woman has an interdisciplinary degree in religious and women’s studies....colleges ought to tell students: "look, this stuff might be interesting to you, but check out employment suitability before you rack up big debt over this."....but of course, they can't say this...women's studies professors need the work.

Can you say..."predatory lending?"

8 posted on 05/29/2010 4:31:29 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: STONEWALLS

Another myth dispelled, “college is the way to the best future for everyone”. College is for the most part just indoctrination 201, HS is 101. The country would be better off with fewer college grads and more people willing to work.
The interesting thing is that most people are employed in jobs that have nothing to do with what they studied in college. The most valuable employees seem to be those that have learned and earned in the real world.


9 posted on 05/29/2010 4:32:03 AM PDT by thile44 (Simplicity is too complex.)
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funny how that little detail is not mentioned until near the end.

If nothing else, I think a university has an obligation to regularly counsel a student when choosing a major, showing a realistic view of that field, its employment and salary potential, etc.

Wonder what she is studying in her night classes.
Probably something equally ridiculous!

What makes a university “so much better” than a smaller school or community college? IS it worth the money? Why is school SO expensive?


10 posted on 05/29/2010 4:34:02 AM PDT by a real Sheila (Just my 2 cents!)
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I have no sympathy for those who purchased services from these institutions, paying whatever they asked, with out negotiating a fair contract for the services provided.

These people handed over blank checks, and have the nerve to complain?

If one is going to be one of 1000 students of a particular professor, one should be charged 1/1000 of the cost. Adults buying things should demand the seller detail what is being provided at what cost.

They don't care to, so I don't care about their problems either.

11 posted on 05/29/2010 4:34:23 AM PDT by Mark was here (Fighting for freedom is never easy, especially when your enemies are merely fighting for free stuff.)
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sorry, I'm not feeling any sympathy for this women. At 18, you are considered an adult. You get to make important decisions like deciding to vote for marxists, you also make important decisions like selecting your vocation and what you will study in college, you can enter the military and serve our country, legally drink alcohol, and you can take on debt.

If the point of the article is 18 is not old enough to make these decisions, then I'm OK with raising the voting age and other ages to 21.

But frankly, this women sounds like a stereotypical RAT. Dumb as a box of rocks. Women studies at $50k/yr tution? This woman is terminally mentally ill. And just what stupid male would ever consider marrying (I guess since she lives in low cost San Fran, maybe it is a woman she is interested in) her because 1) she is dumb as a box of rocks and 2) has debt that is a major burden that was created for zero benefit.

12 posted on 05/29/2010 4:35:28 AM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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“If nothing else, I think a university has an obligation to regularly counsel a student when choosing a major, showing a realistic view of that field, its employment and salary potential, etc.”

...AMEN!!...but what happens is that the college says: “well if you can’t get a job with that worthless degree, come on back for a Masters”...then when that doesn’t work “come on back for a PhD and you can get a job teaching in the Women’s Studies Dept”


13 posted on 05/29/2010 4:40:17 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: Mark was here

One of these days someone is going to wake up to the notion most colleges are set up as profit centers for a bunch of educators. Anyone who goes to college and takes one of these feel good courses is doing the equal of being serviced at a house of ill repute.

Now that the Ozero has control of all student loans, the situation will get worse. I can just see the loan application rejections now: Sorry, too many in that field already, you need to study AfroCentricity instead.


14 posted on 05/29/2010 4:42:36 AM PDT by Mouton
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College is for the most part just indoctrination 201

No, no!

It's only 1/3 indoctrination.

The other 2/3 is smoking weed and getting laid.

Anyone who spends six figures on ruining their child gets what they deserve.

15 posted on 05/29/2010 4:46:11 AM PDT by Jim Noble (If the answer is "Republican", it must be a stupid question)
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....I could see a huge melt down coming on student loans...the kids can’t get a good enough job to service their debt...so they default en masse.


16 posted on 05/29/2010 4:48:51 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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The country would be better off with fewer college grads and more people willing to work.

Agree completely. Our 20 year old son, who never exceled in school, but still wanted to go to college, is attending a local technical college, working nearly full-time in the restaurant business, paying his way as he goes. What's nice about this is that he's developing skills, learning multi-facets of the restaurant business, and is excited about his future prospects. Unlike a lot of knotheads his age, he's already a giant leap ahead of them in terms of his employability and ability to take care of himself, which his dad and I couldn't ask for more at this point.

17 posted on 05/29/2010 4:49:50 AM PDT by nfldgirl (Tim Tebow=our real life (Francine Rivers' Redeeming Love...) Michael!)
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Crazy stuff. The whole “higher-education” industry is crazy these days. My neighbor’s daughter is starting college this fall; she wants to be a physical therapist. She has to take a full four-year degree and then do a graduate program, according to her mom.


18 posted on 05/29/2010 4:50:27 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Duty, valor, patriotism, Anoreth. Any questions?)
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Only in liberal-land can they think that throwing more government money at an issue would lower the cost. News flash - more money chasing the same product RAISES prices.


19 posted on 05/29/2010 4:51:56 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: a real Sheila
If nothing else, I think a university has an obligation to regularly counsel a student when choosing a major, showing a realistic view of that field, its employment and salary potential, etc.

Liberals hate markets, so that is the last thing they would explain to a young student.

20 posted on 05/29/2010 4:53:15 AM PDT by dirtboy
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