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To: naturalman1975
But they also always made sure that there was somebody there who had a chance of getting us out of trouble in an emergency.

A fair point, sir. Though Farragut took a command at twelve, he certainly wasn't alone. There were many seasoned men on that ship well able to see to it that she'd fare as well as possible under any circumstance.

I guess my point in stressing Farragut's "tender age" is that the definition of "adult" has been pushed ever farther up in age over that same 300 year period, and it does not appear that push has served us well. I think that our current attitudes allow people to remain children too long; to not have to apprehend real responsibilities for so long that they becom habituated to not apprehending them, and are therefore quite resentful of reality forceing it all upon them later.

If the reality of inescapable responsibilities were imposed at age fourteen, say, instead of after college graduation at age 21 or 22, that'd be seven less years getting to live without being responsible, seven less years indulging the habits of not having to be responsible, and seven more years building a child into a capable, productive adult. I think the overall change in society would be highly beneficial.

163 posted on 06/14/2010 5:53:39 PM PDT by HKMk23 (Boy! LOOK at that! Them figs'll be ripe sooner'n ya think. [Matt. 24:32])
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To: HKMk23
Though Farragut took a command at twelve,

He was promoted to Commander at the age of 40 and then received his first real command.

164 posted on 06/14/2010 6:01:09 PM PDT by GreenStreak
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To: HKMk23
A fair point, sir. Though Farragut took a command at twelve, he certainly wasn't alone. There were many seasoned men on that ship well able to see to it that she'd fare as well as possible under any circumstance.

I remember the first time I was given the watch and left in charge of the ship as a young officer. For some reason, everybody else on the bridge was suddenly a Chief or PO. They certainly followed my orders, but if I'd given the wrong order...

If the reality of inescapable responsibilities were imposed at age fourteen, say, instead of after college graduation at age 21 or 22, that'd be seven less years getting to live without being responsible, seven less years indulging the habits of not having to be responsible, and seven more years building a child into a capable, productive adult. I think the overall change in society would be highly beneficial.

I do understand what you are saying, but my perspective is somewhat different. I think the problem is, we're expecting kids to grow up too soon. We're letting them think they can oppose adult decisions and make up their own minds about things before they are ready.

I do believe in kids more responsibility and more opportunities to stretch themselves than most of society seems to do today. But only with adults watching over their shoulders to help them handle the inevitable mistakes they will sometimes make. Yes, we have to give them more responsibility, but that means we also need to keep a firmer hand on the tiller.

At the moment, society denies kids the chance to learn responsibility while they are young and under supervision.

I'm a teacher, and before I became a teacher, I spent a fair amount of my naval career involved in training young sailors and officers. In both those roles, I've seen the kids who grow up to be the 'best adults' are the ones who were encouraged to stretch themselves young, but always to understand that their parents or those in that role, would step in when needed, and when they did, the kids had to listen.

Things like the Scouts (and it's not the only organisation, just the best known one) provide this type of support.

With Abby Sunderland - I wouldn't have let her go, if I was her parents. There's reasonable risks and there are unreasonable ones, and to me, this one was unreasonable. Frankly I think there are a lot of other ways she could have got the same benefits without that level of risk.

Australia seems to find itself constantly rescuing adult solo yachtsmen from the Southern Ocean - I've been involved in two such rescues myself in the 1990s. This is dangerous for anybody, but they made their own decisions and nobody else could stop them. That's not the same situation when it comes to a minor child. Her parents had to make this happen.

166 posted on 06/14/2010 6:08:56 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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