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Debunking a Pro-Gun Control Study Using Its Own Stats
Pajamas Media ^ | June 24 | Howard Nemerev

Posted on 06/25/2010 10:11:11 AM PDT by AJKauf

The Violence Policy Center's own data in a study they just released prove that more guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens causes LESS crime.........

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; democrats; liberalfascism; vpc

1 posted on 06/25/2010 10:11:13 AM PDT by AJKauf
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To: AJKauf

The Violence Policy Center (VPC) recently issued a press release titled “States with Higher Gun Ownership and Weak Gun Laws Lead Nation in Gun Death.” This included a list of 10 states highlighting a purported link between “weak” gun control laws and the total “gun death rate,” implying that states with “weak” laws have more “gun death.” VPC also included a reference to the “household gun ownership” levels in each state, underlining VPC’s belief that “strong” gun laws (i.e. more gun control) correlate with drastically reduced gun ownership rates. Therefore, VPC’s criteria is that guns are a vital causative factor in creating death. Their press release confirms this conclusion:

VPC Legislative Director Kristen Rand states, “The equation is simple. More guns lead to more gun death, but limiting exposure to firearms saves lives.”

For their gun ownership data, VPC cited the 2002 Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System (BRFSS) survey from an article originally published in 2005 in the journal Pediatrics. The BRFSS is “operated by state health departments in collaboration with the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,” a department in the Centers for Disease Control (CDC).

Calling this “the most up-to-date, comprehensive source for state gun ownership rates,” VPC attempted to match this 2002 survey data with 2007 firearms mortality data from the CDC, which immediately invalidates their dataset.

When asked to define this “apples and oranges” comparison of two unrelated datasets, Carl Moody, economics professor at William and Mary, called it a “screw-up.”

To give VPC a fair opportunity to make their point with properly-collated data, this report cites 2002 CDC mortality and FBI violent crime data. But first, VPC committed another sophomoric error which must be addressed.

The American Association for Public Opinion Research defines the “margin of sampling error” (MOSE) as:

Basically, the margin of sampling error is the price you pay for not talking to everyone in your population group. The MOSE describes the range that the answer likely falls between if we had talked to everyone instead of just a sample.

In other words, deleting most of a dataset in their press release enabled VPC to “cherry-pick” data that “proved” their predetermined conclusion that firearms represent a negative value to society.

By using less than 20% of the entire dataset, shown in Table 1, VPC makes its point that “weak” gun laws (less gun control) correlate with higher rates of total firearms death — more than four times as much — and higher rates of homicides using firearms (more than triple). Also, “weak” gun law states have over 4.5 times higher firearms suicide rates. Violent crime rates support VPC’s allegation: “weak” gun laws lead to more crime. (All rates are defined as incidents per 100,000 population.)
Table 1: CDC Firearms and Non-Firearms Death Rates (2002), VPC States
Total Homicide Suicide FBI
Gun Non-gun Gun Non-gun Gun Non-gun Violent

Crime
Hom.
VPC “Strong” states 4.14 39.42 1.91 1.63 2.13 5.58 368.5 3.1
VPC “Weak” states 17.98 58.39 6.72 2.86 10.17 4.78 531.4 8.5
Percent Difference 334.0 48.1 251.6 75.6 376.5 -14.3 44.2 173.7

(Note: CDC and FBI homicide rates are different because each agency gathers data from different sources. The CDC collects information from death certificates, usually prepared by “attending physicians, medical examiners, and coroners.” The FBI gets their information from law enforcement agencies.)

While VPC cites household gun ownership rates in their press release, they exclude these values on the webpage containing their complete table of 2007 CDC firearms mortality rates, which curiously says “All contents © 2005 Violence Policy Center” on the bottom. Even more telling, VPC excludes the District of Columbia, which has the lowest gun ownership, yet has a higher rate of “gun death” than any state, according to both the CDC and the FBI.


2 posted on 06/25/2010 10:19:54 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Anything worth doing, is worth doing badly at first.)
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To: AJKauf

I once took the Brady bunches data on state ratings and matched it up with FBI murder statistics for all 50 states. I just copied the data and entered it into an Excel spreadsheet. I realize that the word “murder” may encompass more that simple good-guy vs bad-gun numbers. However, I was interested to see if there was any strong correlation either way.

There was almost no correlation between them. The “best fit” line between them was almost horizontal. There is absolutely no strong correlation with “strong” states or “weak” states having more murder or less murder. It is pretty well random.


3 posted on 06/25/2010 10:21:17 AM PDT by jim_trent
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To: AJKauf

One attribute VPC’s “weak” states have in common is that they are all right-to-carry (RTC) states, where law-abiding citizens have a broad right to carry concealed handguns in public, whereas four of their five “strong” gun law states are not RTC. VPC confirms this criteria in their press release:

The VPC defined states with “weak” gun laws as those that add little or nothing to federal restrictions and have permissive laws governing the open or concealed carrying of firearms in public. States with “strong” gun laws were defined as those that add significant state regulation in addition to federal law, such as restricting access to particularly hazardous types of firearms (for example, assault weapons), setting minimum safety standards for firearms and/or requiring a permit to purchase a firearm, and restrictive laws governing the open and concealed carrying of firearms in public.

Following VPC criteria, states are categorized by RTC status in Table 2.

Table 2: Firearms and Non-Firearms Death Rates (2002), All States
Total Homicide Suicide FBI
Gun Non-gun Gun Non-gun Gun Non-gun Violent

Crime
Hom.
Non-RTC states 9.67 45.77 4.48 2.25 4.81 5.41 503.5 6.6
RTC states 12.76 52.14 3.55 1.91 8.48 5.21 394.1 4.7
Percent Difference 31.9 13.9 -20.7 -15.3 76.5 -3.7 -21.7 -28.2

Examining the entire dataset, VPC’s “weak” gun law states (RTC) still have higher rates of total firearms death (31.9%), but not the 4+ times difference shown in Table 1. RTC states also have higher rates of non-firearms death (13.9%) but again, far less than in Table 1, indicating that there are other causative factors besides guns. Firearms suicide rates are 76.5% the rates in VPC’s “strong” states (non-RTC), but not over 4.5 times higher as in Table 1. Comparison of Tables 1 and 2 underscores VPC’s sampling error.

Most importantly, when it comes to homicide and overall violent crime, Table 2 reveals what VPC wanted to hide. Where “weak” states (RTC) had much higher murder and violent crime rates in Table 1, the full dataset shows that they are safer: 20.7% lower firearms homicide and 15.3% lower non-firearms homicide rates. Moreover, RTC states averaged 21.7% less violent crime and 28.2% lower homicide rates, according to the FBI.

Table 3 reinforces this negative correlation between gun ownership and violent crime: As gun ownership increases, violence decreases.
Table 3: Percent Gun Ownership vs. FBI Crime Rates
% Gun Ownership Violent Crime Homicide
<30 599.7 8.2
30 to <40 422.4 5.0
40 to <50 406.5 4.8
50+ 314.8 3.9

While VPC wishes to look only at negatives, this highlights the truth that the gun rights issue is a balanced equation: There are benefits to gun ownership, as well as negative consequences for enacting gun control laws.

Bottom line: Firearm-involved suicides drove the difference in “gun death” rates between VPC’s “strong” and “weak” gun law states. Since they insist the equation is “simple,” that increased firearms ownership causes more suicide, VPC’s own data proves that more guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens causes less crime.


4 posted on 06/25/2010 10:21:21 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Anything worth doing, is worth doing badly at first.)
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To: jim_trent
Excel spreadsheet. I realize that the word “murder” may encompass more that simple good-guy vs bad-gun numbers. However, I was interested to see if there was any strong correlation either way.

I tried to do a correlation, too. I found that you can't effectively compare the crime rates between two different areas and claim that a single factor was the reason for the difference. Some parts of the country have higher violent crime rates than others. It's a matter of culture.

My home town in Massachusetts hadn't had a murder in over 100 years. Some towns of similar size here in Florida have at least one a year. Both towns have high firearms ownership rates.

The only true comparison is to look at the impact of the same population before and after gun laws were enacted. Even then, there are so many variables that it's difficult to say what causes the change. The economy plays a big part in crime. Laws unrelated to guns also play a big part. In the time period that Florida allowed CCW laws, it also enacted laws cracking down on the use of firearms during the commission of a crime. You can't isolate CCWs, Gun Ownership rates, and the new laws and say one was the reason our crime rates went down.

"Three strike mandatory sentences" may also be a factor, but they take years to make a difference.

What you can look at in the case of this study is the fact that gun ownership skyrocketed over the last two years and more states have enacted CCW laws. By their conclusion, violent crime should be increasing at the same rate as gun ownership and it isn't. It's going down.

5 posted on 06/25/2010 10:57:10 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: mbynack

I don’t disagree with anything you said. Many of the “old south” states have very high murder rates. Of course, the Brady bunch says they also have lax gun laws. On the other hand the states in the high plains have “lax” gun laws and low murder rates. That is, as you say, probably a matter of each areas culture, not their gun laws.

The point I was making is that the Brady bunch says there is a strong correlation between murder rates and lax gun laws. Freepers say that there is a strong correlation between minimal (lax) gun laws and murder rates. In fact, neither is correct. If both sides use all the states in their comparison, there is no correlation. We have to look elsewhere to find statistics that support our position.


6 posted on 06/25/2010 11:15:29 AM PDT by jim_trent
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To: jim_trent
My post was a long-winded way of saying that I agree with you.

I think there's a strong correlation between Brady Bunch workers and frontal lobotomy recipients.

7 posted on 06/25/2010 11:37:45 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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