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The Fight over "Medical" Marijuana in California
myway ^ | July 18, 2010 | Lisa Leff

Posted on 07/19/2010 3:39:40 AM PDT by Larry R. Johnson

OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) - After weathering the fear of federal prosecution and competition from drug cartels, California's medical marijuana growers see a new threat to their tenuous existence: the "Wal-Marting" of weed. "The Oakland City Council on Tuesday will look at licensing four production plants where pot would be grown, packaged and processed into items ranging from baked goods to body oil. Winning applicants would have to pay $211,000 in annual permit fees, carry $2 million worth of liability insurance and be prepared to devote up to 8 percent of gross sales to taxes." ... "Companies running the facilities must agree to give away some pot to low-income users, employ organic gardening methods to the extent possible and offset in some way the large amount of electricity needed to grow weed."

(Excerpt) Read more at apnews.myway.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; marijuana; medical; pot; prop19
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Great stuff here. I'm hoping there are a lot of cured diseases in California now. My favorite: "Companies running the facilities must agree to give away some pot to low-income users,..." Welfare for pot-heads! Where do I sign up? Hey, man, spare me the details...just pass that............ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....
1 posted on 07/19/2010 3:39:42 AM PDT by Larry R. Johnson
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To: Larry R. Johnson

Just wait until someone comes up with “Marijuana works better than Ritalin”....


2 posted on 07/19/2010 3:47:47 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: Larry R. Johnson
When it becomes legal for companies to grow pot but not private citizens, we'll see War on Drugs 2.0 begin - the taxing agencies making sure no one end-runs their money train. It will probably be a tad more sincere and ruthless.
3 posted on 07/19/2010 3:48:42 AM PDT by Puddleglum ("due to the record harvest, rationing will continue as usual")
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To: Larry R. Johnson
There seem to be two ridiculous contradictions to the lefties' position on weed. First, they want it legalized, but they don't like the idea of big business getting in there and trying to make a profit. Second, they cheer-on the lawsuits against tobaco manufacturers, but they don't seem to realize that the very same thing is going to happen to their beloved weed sellers. $2m liability insurance? How many lawsuits for the harmful effects of weed is that going to settle? Not even one.
4 posted on 07/19/2010 3:49:43 AM PDT by MikeGranby
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To: Larry R. Johnson

This could have some positive unintended consequences if it leads to challenge of the federal government’s authority under the New Deal “substantial effects” doctrine of the Commerce Clause.


5 posted on 07/19/2010 3:52:50 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
In 1917, when the Congress wanted to ban alcohol consumption, they recognized that they had to amend the Constitution as they had no power to do so otherwise.

Although Amendment XVIII was repealed in 1933, the Congress in 1971 had not even a second thought about legislating with regard to weed.

What's the difference?

In the interests of full disclosure, I would support a state-level ban - but I submit that the Federal drug laws, along with almost everything else Congress does, are unconstitutional because they pretend to exercise powers not granted.

6 posted on 07/19/2010 3:57:58 AM PDT by Jim Noble (If the answer is "Republican", it must be a stupid question.)
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To: Larry R. Johnson

Like other farmers, you’ll have small growers petitioning their Congressman for price supports. So, you’ll be taxed too.

It is always the same. Gov rules and taxes drive up costs to final consumers but lower profits to manufactures. Small petition for price supports, so more taxes. Poor can’t afford tax and regulation driven up prices so need welfare program, so yet more taxes.

Being a ‘new’ industry, at least we are a decade away from a taxpayer bailout of Big Weed, Inc. So, we have that going for us, which is nice.


7 posted on 07/19/2010 4:02:45 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: Jim Noble
In the interests of full disclosure, I would support a state-level ban - but I submit that the Federal drug laws, along with almost everything else Congress does, are unconstitutional because they pretend to exercise powers not granted.

Indeed. The difference is that in 1917, the federal government had not yet "discovered" the power to regulate anything you do that they could imagine might have a "substantial effect on interstate commerce". Since then, they've developed an imagination to rival Lewis Carroll.

8 posted on 07/19/2010 4:05:31 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Jim Noble

Agreed, but neither you nor I have attended Yale or Harvard Law, and what we think the Constitution says, isn’t what it says, because there is a specialized code/language/meaning in it that only elites can understand. ( Que Catholic Church and Latin, Communist Parties and Marxism, and other self supporting elitists over workers type textual Umba-gumbaism. )


9 posted on 07/19/2010 4:06:37 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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Agreed, but neither you nor I have attended Yale or Harvard Law,

Clarence Thomas did.

10 posted on 07/19/2010 4:11:54 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Justice Thomas, dissenting.

Respondents Diane Monson and Angel Raich use marijuana that has never been bought or sold, that has never crossed state lines, and that has had no demonstrable effect on the national market for marijuana. If Congress can regulate this under the Commerce Clause, then it can regulate virtually anything–and the Federal Government is no longer one of limited and enumerated powers.

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The majority’s rewriting of the Commerce Clause seems to be rooted in the belief that, unless the Commerce Clause covers the entire web of human activity, Congress will be left powerless to regulate the national economy effectively. Ante, at 15—16; Lopez, 514 U.S., at 573—574 (Kennedy, J., concurring). The interconnectedness of economic activity is not a modern phenomenon unfamiliar to the Framers. Id., at 590—593 (Thomas, J., concurring); Letter from J. Madison to S. Roane (Sept. 2, 1819), in 3 The Founders’ Constitution 259—260 (P. Kurland & R. Lerner eds. 1987). Moreover, the Framers understood what the majority does not appear to fully appreciate: There is a danger to concentrating too much, as well as too little, power in the Federal Government. This Court has carefully avoided stripping Congress of its ability to regulate interstate commerce, but it has casually allowed the Federal Government to strip States of their ability to regulate intrastate commerce–not to mention a host of local activities, like mere drug possession, that are not commercial.

One searches the Court’s opinion in vain for any hint of what aspect of American life is reserved to the States. Yet this Court knows that “ ‘[t]he Constitution created a Federal Government of limited powers.’ ” New York v. United States, 505 U.S. 144, 155 (1992) (quoting Gregory v. Ashcroft, 501 U.S. 452, 457 (1991)). That is why today’s decision will add no measure of stability to our Commerce Clause jurisprudence: This Court is willing neither to enforce limits on federal power, nor to declare the Tenth Amendment a dead letter. If stability is possible, it is only by discarding the stand-alone substantial effects test and revisiting our definition of “Commerce among the several States.” Congress may regulate interstate commerce–not things that affect it, even when summed together, unless truly “necessary and proper” to regulating interstate commerce.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-1454.ZD1.html


11 posted on 07/19/2010 4:34:22 AM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: Larry R. Johnson

Good to see that kalifornicate is concentrating on the serious issues facing them. /S/S/S!

LLS


12 posted on 07/19/2010 4:40:18 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( WOLVERINES!)
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To: MikeGranby

It’s almost as funny as the tobacco companies thinking they could support Marijuana Prohibition and it would never spread to cigarettes.


13 posted on 07/19/2010 4:55:52 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: KDD

Ah yes, the one case where conserviatves think States DON’T have rights, and the Commerce Clause is all-encompassing.


14 posted on 07/19/2010 4:57:51 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: tacticalogic

Yeah, there were ‘Good Germans’ too. How did that work out?

We live under a regime, that rewards those that take it’s Kool-Aid.

Harvard and Yale, and even the Law itself today is but a PC test to see if the young buy into the racket. And if so, and if done well, will be rewarded all their lives. No different than young joining the Communist Party or the SS.


15 posted on 07/19/2010 4:59:24 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: Wolfie

Tobacco profits went up after their deal with the government. ( They stopped new entrances, with lower prices from putting them under price pressure. Remember, they are not in the tobacco business first, that is secondary. First business is profits. )

So they got Attaboys from the gov by supporting the gov. Kept new product suppressed, and illegal, which kept that products price high, which made their prices seem not as high/costly/overpriced.


16 posted on 07/19/2010 5:02:58 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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Yeah, there were ‘Good Germans’ too. How did that work out?

We remember that there were, and that they were right.

17 posted on 07/19/2010 5:23:46 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Leisler

Watch/read “The Insider” with Russell Crowe as VP of a tobacco company. Their business was the delivery of the drug nicotine through cigarettes.

Marijuana is a delivery system for the drug THC.

Both tobacco products have that nasty side effect called lung cancer.


18 posted on 07/19/2010 6:26:42 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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Both tobacco products have that nasty side effect called lung cancer.

And if everyone suddenly got lung cancer, well that could have a substantial effect on interstate commerce.

19 posted on 07/19/2010 6:35:27 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Wolfie
Perhaps you misunderstand my position. I am all for states being able to set their own policies on weed. I don't agree with legalization myself, but I also don't see how the feds have any power over this. The comment made above regarding the need for an ammendment to implement prohibition is particular on-point IMHO. My amusement is simply at the rather romantic notions surrounding legalization, that it will somehow involve smallholders growing weed for meagre profits for the common good, rather than evil capitalists exploiting their customers, and that weed will somehow be immune to liability issues from whatever harm it causes.
20 posted on 07/19/2010 6:38:39 AM PDT by MikeGranby
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