"I just say this crap with a big smile. That way
all the sap-happy libs wet themselves in adoration."
Posted on 07/24/2010 2:03:09 AM PDT by Brugmansian
LAS VEGAS, NV — While the federal government sinks deeper into debt than any time since World War II, former White House “green jobs” adviser Anthony Van Jones said it was time to stop worrying about budget deficits and pressure Washington to take more money from American businesses to fund larger social and infrastructure projects.
“This is a rich country. We have plenty of money, and if you don’t believe me, ask Haliburton,” Jones told a group of progressive bloggers and activists at the Netroots Nation convention Friday. “There’s plenty of money out there; don’t fall into the trap of this whole deficit argument.”
“The only question is how to spend it,” he added.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...
Van Jones would never get his hands dirty working alongside with the proletarians and illegal aliens. Being the genius he thinks he is, he would find some way to supervise them
Well, I think we underestimate them if we think of them as Communists. I really do think they are fascists and that is the future we are building for ourselves. I don’t know how long communism with complete central planning and government ownership can survive, the Soviet Union’s 70 years was not a good test because they had the good old USA under Reagan pushing them in a way that no one would push us in todays world. But I think the communist system is creaky and eventually the wheels come off and those in power go for a better life for themselves and their children. Fascism is a different system since the state retains ultimate control but doesn’t impose it always, less creaky, more durable.
Do americans know that the top corporate tax rate in USA is around 40%, on of the world´s highest, while in Scandinavia (alleged role model for left-wingers) is around 25%?
Sadly, this rhetoric may work. Why? Because the NEA and SRM dumbed down voters, who are now in the majority, are too stupid to understand that SOMEONE has to produce the wealth they leach off of.
Our only hope? The TEA Partiers and others like us are motivated enough to outnumber the zombies and the fraud at the polls.
Take two economics classes and call me in the morning.
I'll bet he filed an application to be the next City Manager of Bell, CA. That position has great pay and excellent benefits.
Although our modern socialists' promise of greater freedom is genuine and sincere, in recent years observer after observer has been impressed by the unforeseen consequences of socialism, the extraordinary similarity in many respects of the conditions under "communism" and "fascism." As the writer Peter Drucker expressed it in 1939, "the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia to travel the same road toward a totalitarian society of un-freedom and inequality which Germany has been following. Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same. Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion, and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany."-- F.A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom
No less significant is the intellectual outlook of the rank and file in the communist and fascist movements in Germany before 1933. The relative ease with which a young communist could be converted into a Nazi or vice versa was well known, best of all to the propagandists of the two parties. The communists and Nazis clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties simply because they competed for the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. Their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common, was the liberal of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits made of the right timber, they both know that there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom.
What I see happening is them using the economic ideas of fascism, with the social ideas of Communism, since the racial purity & aggressive nationalism themes of fascism are so discredited.
But getting back to Hayek, the key point is that there is no reason to spend much time arguing about fascism vs. Communism, as there isn't much difference between the two from the standpoint of "the liberal of the old type". Realize that Hayek was writing in the 1940s, before the Left appropriated the term to mean "another word for socialist". When he said "the liberal of the old type", he was talking about someone who truly believed in individual freedom and a minimalist State, what we call today a conservative.
We agree and disagree. I disagree that there isn’t a nickel’s worth of difference between the two. Look at China under Mao (communist economic model) vs. China today (fascist economic model). I agree that there isn’t a nickel’s worth of difference between the two morally or in terms of the freedom and rights of the citizen (the citizen has none). I think conceptually it’s worth discussing (not arguing about!) and have a general idea that if the blockheaded “useful fools” of the communists, if they would realize they are supporting fascism it might jolt them out of their slumber.
"I just say this crap with a big smile. That way
all the sap-happy libs wet themselves in adoration."
The problem we face there is that there has been 65 years of branding Nazism, and thus Fascism, as “right-wing”, and thus Republican, no matter how far from the truth that is.
I’m not saying what you suggest is not worth doing, it’s just that we face an uphill slog due to the way the Left has Orwellianly shaped the battlefield in the arena of public discourse and language. The “Republican = Nazi” Big Lie has been pushed for so long that many believe it, in contravention of all history.
Shifting focus slightly, this is why we must push back when the Left attempts to misuse language and push lies. It’s why Bush’s non-use of the Bully Pulpit was so disheartening and such a disaster for conservatives. He let his and our political enemies define him.
The US government has a technology, called a printing press, that allows it to produce as many dollars as it wishes at essentially no cost. Bernanke began putting it into action after the credit system seized up in 2008, purchasing $1.75 trillion of Treasuries, mortgage securities, and agency bonds to shore up the US credit system.
When a government is faced with a debt it cannot pay, it has four choices: borrow, steal, print or default. Our government has been doing the first two for years, and is easing into the third. They will not default, even if we end up with inflation like Germany had before WWII. Obama will raise taxes and print money. The money the government steals via taxes is less disposable income in the economy. More job losses. Money that gets poured down the rat hole of socialist spending. Tax increases are a disincentive to new job creation. It's the looming tax increases that have employers holding off hiring.
A profitable business owner takes risks to hire people and start new ventures or the other way to fire everyone and retire if the circumstances are too frustrating to want to produce. The Administration and Congress want to confiscate more of the business wealth and redistribute it, embracing social engineering to steer it 'fairly' into the waiting pockets of appreciative voters. Batten down the hatches! Taxes a plenty next year.
When the economy realizes some growth again, those waiting to get rehired as managers and engineers start to find they have to work two jobs as cashiers and janitors. These liberals are going to friggin' sing and dance along, all the way, as they dance off a cliff.
And what is really interesting,and truly frightening, is that they both said they would "take" the money - not tax the companies.
Yah, it’s not an argument for the general public or the masses. You have to get someone’s attention long enough for them to actually learn about fascist economics, overcome the hurdle that modern fascist theory existed incredibly briefly (maybe 20 years) and went underground after that, have them see what is out there and learn from it, and then apply it to our situation today. It’s more a one-on-one thing. So why am I posting about it here? Heck, there are people here that are intellectuals and will learn about it and understand. Others will throw virtual beer cans at my virtual head.
There are still plenty here who don’t know this stuff. And discussions here help you build your knowledge and arguments for elsewhere.
By the way, Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism is required reading in this area.
"ALOHA"
nobama supporters are thieves. Steal money from the productive and give it to your loser supporters. Pure thieves.
“I am a Kerry- and Geithner-Democrat.
We simply do not pay taxes like small people."
everyone needs to keep shining the light on this human cockroach. It would be interesting to see how much money he takes in every year and from what sources
...”And this is the Marxist clown that Meg Whitman admires so much”...
Does she really admire this guy? Unbelievable!
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