Posted on 08/09/2010 5:31:04 PM PDT by Kaslin
Immigration: The 14th Amendment was written to guarantee citizenship for freed slaves. It's been misinterpreted to give citizenship to children of illegal aliens. Now some GOP leaders want to restore its original meaning.
In Texas this year, some 60,000 so-called "anchor babies" will be born to the 1.5 million illegal aliens estimated to reside there. They're called that because under the current interpretation of the 14th Amendment they're automatic citizens, encouraging more illegals to arrive and making it hard to deport those already here.
"There is a problem," House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, told NBC's "Meet The Press" Sunday. "To provide an incentive for illegal immigrants to come here so that their children can be U.S. citizens does, in fact, draw more people to our country. I do think that it's time for us to secure our borders and enforce the law and allow this conversation about the 14th Amendment to continue."
"The 14th Amendment (has been) interpreted to provide that if you are born in the United States, you are a citizen no matter what," Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., said a week earlier on the CBS show "Face The Nation." "So the question is, if both parents are here illegally, should there be a reward for their illegal behavior?" Kyl is open to a hearing on the matter of birthright citizenship. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell says Congress should consider the guarantee of birthright citizenship provided by the 14th Amendment.
A new IBD/TIPP Poll shows solid opposition to changing the Constitution to address the anchor baby issue (see chart). But does the amendment need amending or has it just been wrongly interpreted by those supporting illegal immigration?
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I wonder what percentage of these will recieve welfare or some other public assistance? I also wonder who paid for their free birthing experience?
Bad question for the poll. It should have been, “Do you support birthright [automatic] citizenship for children born to illegal aliens or temporary visitors in the US?”
I’m just curious about how this works...
If a couple is here in the US visiting the Grand Canyon...
...from somewhere...let’s say...Spain...
...and the wife goes into labor and has a child in Flagstaff...
Same question for a French couple visiting New York...
...or an Italian couple on a cruise liner in the Virgin Islands...
...or a German couple visiting Disney World...
Is the child “automatically” a US citizen?
...whether the foreign couple wants it or not?
What I mean is ... is there a mechanism for them to decline?
Illegal aliens are transient foreigners; not citizens, subjects or permanent residents subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. By the 14th Amendment their children are not automatic citizens and there is no need to amend the Constitution to exclude them.
That is not an exaggeration.
Bloominidiot, Geraldo and other cultural and historical retards would apply that interpretation to children of a muslim terrorist sleeper couple, if they happen to have children in the U.S. I am not attempting hyperbole here.
That is exactly what the "other side" of the argument embrace blindly.
Principle over survival.
Virtually 100%.
And in a significant number of cases, the anchor children themselves continue on welfare and other types of aid with their second generation children.
It is certainly easier to ask, "What percentage of these will NOT receive welfare and other taxpayer assistance?
What an odd question.
The problem is never their stressing over compulsory American citizenship. People vacationing in the United States are not the type who would do so illegally.
Obama's dad was an exception; A legal student visa.
The problem is illegal aliens on expired student, or tourist visas or no visas at all. Those not only insist on getting citizenship for their children, but also drag their entire family behind them.
Unfortunately, that is an individual opinion. Neither your opinion (nor mine) mean much...
As far as the USA is concerned, their child is a citizen of the USA. However, in most countries, they are also citizens of the original country. If they are raised there, they will be citizens of Germany, etc and get a German passport. However, they have the option of requesting a US passport, or living permanently in the USA.
If they REALLY object, there is a form they can fill out at the US embassy that provides a sworn statement rejecting US citizenship, and then they lose their citizenship.
I know it. You know it. But what will happen when a future case goes to USSC( and it will)? If GOP leaders try to amend the constitution, they are "admitting" that the law pertains to anyone who happens to birth a baby in the USA.
Foreigners aren’t subject to US jurisdiction while visiting the United States? If I were vacationing in Mexico, I would be subject to Mexican jurisdiction.
I propose the Constitutional amendment to solve many of our problems today including this one:
{
Section 1:
The Fourteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.
Section 2:
No Government of the United States shall in anyway discriminate on the account of race.
}
The words “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” were included for a reason, as was made clear by the drafters of the amendment. The reason that my opinion, for the moment, is an individual one is that no one has been challenging the present incorrect interpretation. It is by repeating, in as many fora as possible, the original meaning of the amendment that it will become known and accepted by the public at large. Only then will the political class be forced to cede the issue.
They are subject to US laws, not jurisdiction. Their general income outside the United States cannot be taxed, they are not subject to the draft, they cannot be called to jury duty, etc.
Must a male 18-25 traveling here on vacation or for a business trip register with the Selective Service? Despite their long stays, illegal aliens are legally nothing more than temporary, although illegal, transients. They are subjects of their home countries, not of the United States.
No, even transient foreigners are subject to our jurisdiction when they are here. They have to obey the laws just like anyone else, and they can go to jail if they don't. That's jurisdiction.
The 14th has not been misinterpreted. Whether it should be changed, that's another story.
Couldn’t the Texas legislature pass a law, saying that the 14th Amendment in Texas will be interpreted as to not give US Citizenship to infants, where the parents are aliens, including illegal aliens? If not, why not?
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