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Mexico's Richest City Plagued by Violence
Fox News, Wall Street Journal ^ | August 19, 2010 | Wall Street Journal

Posted on 08/19/2010 8:44:29 AM PDT by cougar_mccxxi

MONTERREY, Mexico—A surge of drug violence in Mexico's business capital and richest city has prompted an outcry from business leaders who on Wednesday took out full-page ads asking President Felipe Calderón to send in more soldiers to stem the violence.

The growing violence in Monterrey, long one of Mexico's most modern and safe cities, is a sign that the country's war against drug gangs is spreading ever further from poorer battlegrounds along the border and into the country's wealthiest enclaves.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: criminalize; drug; failedstates; killemall; mexico; monterrey; violence; wod
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1 posted on 08/19/2010 8:44:31 AM PDT by cougar_mccxxi
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To: cougar_mccxxi

The war on drugs is a complete failure.

Decriminalizing drugs is the only logical answer.


2 posted on 08/19/2010 8:46:27 AM PDT by cougar_mccxxi
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To: cougar_mccxxi

Build the wall, lock the door, throw away the key.....


3 posted on 08/19/2010 8:50:00 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: cougar_mccxxi

You still have to stop them from coming across the border.


4 posted on 08/19/2010 9:01:57 AM PDT by RC2 (Remember who we are. "I am America")
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To: cougar_mccxxi

A better course is finding and killing drug dealers. Mercy in the form of fast execution should be given to those who roll on their superiors


5 posted on 08/19/2010 9:04:34 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming)
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To: cougar_mccxxi
My daughter had a college roommate from Monterrey and was very impressed with her work and study ethic. If she was a representative sample, it is no wonder that Monterrey is the most prosperous and modern city in Mexico.

If we had political leadership with balls, I've often thought that a fair counter to Mexico's policy of exporting poverty, crime and re-conquistadors to the United States could be countered with a threat to sponsor an independent state in northern Mexico with Monterrey as the capital.

Said independent state would then be encouraged to erect a line of demarcation about 200 miles north of Mexico City and enforce the type of immigration policy on them which Mexico currently has on Central America.

6 posted on 08/19/2010 9:14:15 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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7 posted on 08/19/2010 9:16:04 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: cougar_mccxxi
Decriminalizing drugs is the only logical answer.

The Drug cartels are power hungry and violent. Legalizing drugs will not stop their violent tendencies. That tactic will only convince them threats and intimidation can influence a society. They will continue that same violent behavior to effect other laws and dictate that society.

Your line of thinking is the same straw man's argument being used to justify granting amnesty for illegal aliens. The problem is lax law enforcement leading to the inability to stop either illegals or illicit drugs. The two are inextricably linked. The answer is to strictly enforce existing laws for both.
8 posted on 08/19/2010 9:22:19 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Man50D
I ask of you to google Portugals drug decriminalization policy.

I also ask of you this; did the straw man make a mistake in the 1930’s when they re-legalized alcohol?

9 posted on 08/19/2010 9:27:24 AM PDT by cougar_mccxxi
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To: Man50D

“Legalizing drugs will not stop their violent tendencies.”

I admit, I made a mistake in my first post; I should have replaced the word “de-criminalize” with “legalize”.

My wording makes a huge difference as prohibition of alcohol was another complete failure which only generated what we are seeing today as a result of the war on drugs.


10 posted on 08/19/2010 9:36:44 AM PDT by cougar_mccxxi
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To: cougar_mccxxi
I ask of you to google Portugals drug decriminalization policy.

I also ask of you this; did the straw man make a mistake in the 1930’s when they re-legalized alcohol?


You're not understanding the fundamental point these violent thugs will continue their violent tactics by other means if you legalize drugs just as the mafia did after prohibition was repealed. The underlying problem still exists. By your illogical thinking we should legalize murder since it can't be stopped and those who commit murder will no longer be violent. All that ignores the fact the illicit drugs themselves are dangerous.
11 posted on 08/19/2010 9:45:44 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: cougar_mccxxi
I admit, I made a mistake in my first post; I should have replaced the word “de-criminalize” with “legalize”.

That's mere semantics. The end result is the same.
12 posted on 08/19/2010 9:46:59 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Man50D

“By your illogical thinking we should legalize murder since it can’t be stopped and those who commit murder will no longer be violent”

I dont usually insult people on the forum but since you opened up the barrel of monkeys I will say you are an idiot.

Firstly, there is a bit of difference between someone growing and smoking marijuana and a mass murderer.

Secondly, of the top 15 leading causes of death in the US illicit drug use ranks number 12. The death rate from alcohol is 5 times higher than illicit drugs at number 3.

Thirdly, the prohibition experiment was repealed as it was a perfect example of government, and conservative morons such as yourself, trying to control peoples’s lives beyond the intentions of the framers.

Your turn. :)


13 posted on 08/19/2010 5:44:22 PM PDT by cougar_mccxxi
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To: cougar_mccxxi

Where, in the US? That is where most of the drugs are consumed.


14 posted on 08/19/2010 5:51:02 PM PDT by rebobmca
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Firstly, there is a bit of difference between someone growing and smoking marijuana and a mass murderer.

Oh really? What the h*ll do you think the drug dealers are doing to push their illicit drugs?

Secondly, of the top 15 leading causes of death in the US illicit drug use ranks number 12.

Marijuana Dangers

Dangers of Smoking Marijuana

Growing Evidence Of Marijuana Smoke's Potential Dangers

Dangers of Marijuana

That's only a fraction of the articles about the dangers of marijuana. Thirdly, the prohibition experiment was repealed as it was a perfect example of government, and conservative morons such as yourself, trying to control peoples’s lives beyond the intentions of the framers.

Repealing prohibition hasn't come close to stopping the alcohol problem in this country. The same end result will happen if marijuana is legalized. Stop for a moment and try to connect the dots. The drug cartels are working with terrorist groups such as Al-Qaeda to help the latter enter the country illegally to destroy us from within our own borders. Eliminating the drug laws and thereby the power to arrest will remove a significant barrier in stopping the drug cartels and by association Al-Qaeda. In other words it is a matter of national security which is the paramount responsibility of the federal government. You can't comprehend this is a matter of saving people's lives, not trying to control them, because your mind is too fogged from smoking the same drug you want legalized. There's a reason why they call it dope and you're the perfect illustration.
15 posted on 08/19/2010 7:15:27 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Stopping pot smoking and cocaine snorting would do much more. Remember that the whole operation is financed in US$.


16 posted on 08/19/2010 7:28:17 PM PDT by rebobmca
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To: Man50D

Hey dope, you missed the point!

1. What I, you or anyone else puts in your body is no one else’s business.
2. Making drugs ILLEGAL CREATES the illegal drug industry just as prohibition created bootlegging. Are you lost?
3. “”Firstly, there is a bit of difference between someone growing and smoking marijuana and a mass murderer.”” “Oh really? What the h*ll do you think the drug dealers are doing to push their illicit drugs?”. Murder to promote drug sales; I want the drugs you’re on dude.
4. The perfect illustration of a paranoid fog is the one you’re stuck in with the Al-Queda boogeymen. Do you not have a clue who is financing them? Hint; its not Mexican drug runners.
5. Prior to the very early 1900’s NO DRUGS WERE ILLEGAL. We created a nation, fought and won 5 wars, settled the continental United States and became the greatest nation on earth while people were still free to smoke that evil reefer.

You have fallen prey to the notion that controlling peoples lives sets them free; thats fascism my friend. By the way, poor diet and physical activity was the number 2 cause of death so get off your lazy ass; throw out your Bush bumper stickers and your Doritos while you’re at it.


17 posted on 08/19/2010 9:22:54 PM PDT by cougar_mccxxi
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To: cougar_mccxxi

It’s the way it is when the cops are part of the drug gang.


18 posted on 08/19/2010 9:24:47 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

The war on terror, the war on drugs, the war on poverty; all government created industry producing nothing but burden, debt and death and most importantly loss of liberties.


19 posted on 08/19/2010 9:35:32 PM PDT by cougar_mccxxi
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Hey, more for you to read. Thought you might find this interesting.

“Prohibition has two effects: on one hand it raises supplier costs, disrupts market functioning and prevents open promotion of the product; on the other, it sacrifices the authorities’ ability to tax transactions and regulate operation of the market, product characteristics and promotional activity of suppliers. The cannabis prevalence rates presented in Figure 1 show clearly that prohibition has failed to prevent widespread use of the drug and leaves open the possibility that it might be easier to control the harmful use of cannabis by regulation of a legal market than to control illicit consumption under prohibition. The contrast between the general welcome for tobacco regulation (including bans on smoking in public places) and the deep suspicion of prohibition policy on cannabis is striking and suggests that a middle course of legalised but limited consumption may find a public consensus.”

Source: “Pudney, Stephen, “Drugs Policy – What Should We Do About Cannabis?” Centre for Economic Policy Research (London, United Kingdom: April 2009), p. 23.


20 posted on 08/19/2010 9:41:08 PM PDT by cougar_mccxxi
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