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Mosque at Ground Zero: Offering of Peace or Symbol of Conquest?
www.cafffeinatedthoughts.com ^ | 8/19/2010 | Judy Shedlock

Posted on 08/19/2010 5:40:38 PM PDT by grassboots.org

By Judy Shedlock

First we overlooked the travesty of the Shanksville, Pennsylvania “Crescent of Embrace” memorial “honoring” those killed on Flight 93 on 9/11. Surely the god of political correctness has been appeased, and we can go back to sleep. So what’s the problem?

The problem is the Cordoba Initiative, better known as the Mosque at Ground Zero. While our own Memorial to the Victims of 9/11 flounders, the President of the United States, Barack Obama, has endorsed the building of the mosque at Ground Zero as the epitome of the exercise of freedom of religion.

The two sides on this issue range from the Muslims saying they are trying to build religious understanding by joining the lower Manhattan community, to opponents saying the mosque will desecrate hallowed ground.

Does it really matter?

Mohammad founded his religion in Mecca. That is why Muslims pray toward Mecca and take their pilgrimage to Mecca. Yet the Meccans did not receive Mohammad and his message, preferring to maintain their worship of some 360 pagan idols centered around the Kaaba Stone. Mohammad fled to Medina, and only later returned to Mecca with force of arms, “converting” not only the inhabitants of Mecca, but also the Kaaba worship site to his “religion of peace”.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; cordoba; groundzero; groundzeromosque; imamobama; islamobama; mosque; obamabinbiden; obamagroundzero; sodomhusseinobama; zerogroundzero

1 posted on 08/19/2010 5:40:41 PM PDT by grassboots.org
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To: grassboots.org


2 posted on 08/19/2010 5:43:45 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: grassboots.org
The concept of peace has a different meaning for muslims than it does for westerners as explained in the article below:

Islamic Scholar Warns U.S. of 'Two-Faced' Muslims
3 posted on 08/19/2010 5:46:41 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: grassboots.org

Its definitely not peace.... 1400 years of working on a caliphate speaks for itself!

...for the unknowing

Most people do not recognize that what happens in a mosque is sedition. Pure and simple. Islam is not just a “religion”, it is a cult. Larger than that though, it is a political system, it is it’s own government, its judicial...is in its sharia, and its military (jihadis) all rolled into one with one intent ...and that is to rule wherever they take root. It is a invasive, systemic infection looking to take over the host once it has quantum.

This is not just a “religion”, but something that cloaks itself in those terms so it should not be given the same treatment contemplated under the first amendment. The Korans Sharia rules are to consume whatever government there is wherever it goes.
It is political, and it’s goal is to supplant and replace.

The sooner America learns this , the better.

Obama? Obama and Company? Should be tried for treason in this issue for promoting the establishment of a foreign government on our soils. He is doing nothing to protect America as per his oath. Also, as a Muslim, he knows this, he know far better, he knows sharia, but is looking to deceive America.

For all interested...Wanna learn more?

http://thehayride.com/2010/08/louisiana-at-leading-edge-in-fight-against-shariah/#more-5392

and this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w&feature=player_embedded

Lets keep America, America!

Obama? Obama and Company? Should be tried for treason in this issue for promoting the establishment of a foreign government on our soils. As a Muslim, he knows this, he knows sharia, but is looking to deceive America.


4 posted on 08/19/2010 5:46:53 PM PDT by himno hero
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To: grassboots.org

Its about as much an offering of peace as the book “To Serve Man.”


5 posted on 08/19/2010 5:49:33 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (In the White House the mighty White House the Liar sleeps tonight.............)
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To: grassboots.org
Most people are at least peripherally aware of how Christians are treated in muslim lands. Christian worship in Saudi Arabia is all underground; their services are apt to be raided and the worshippers deported. Saudi citizens face execution.

In fact Christian converts in every muslim country across the globe face execution for their beliefs. And who wants to lecture Americans about religious liberty?

When the Saudis let their Christians come out of the shadows to build their churches, then we'll talk. As it is there are mosques in every major town in American including Manhatten. And none in Saudi Arabia.

6 posted on 08/19/2010 5:50:06 PM PDT by marron
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It's not an offering of peace. Moslems don't do that.

Not even after 1278 years.

Read the article at the link; it's a parallel of what is going on in New York, right down to the bowing and scraping by local officials. Even an Archbishop. It's a brief article; read ALL of it. Especially the fourth paragraph, with the comments concerning "religion of the state".

7 posted on 08/19/2010 5:50:57 PM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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The thing is, if you apply our Constitution, there really is no legal way to deny the Muslims from building their Mosque at this location.
8 posted on 08/19/2010 5:53:50 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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bullshit... if you loosely call it a religion...then it fits in...but

Most people do not recognize that what happens in a mosque is sedition. Pure and simple. Islam is not just a “religion”, it is a cult. Larger than that though, it is a political system, it is it’s own government, its judicial...is in its sharia, and its military (jihadis) all rolled into one with one intent ...and that is to rule wherever they take root. It is a invasive, systemic infection looking to take over the host once it has quantum.

This is not just a “religion”, but something that cloaks itself in those terms so it should not be given the same treatment contemplated under the first amendment. The Korans Sharia rules are to consume whatever government there is wherever it goes.
It is political, and it’s goal is to supplant and replace.

The sooner America learns this , the better.

Obama? Obama and Company? Should be tried for treason in this issue for promoting the establishment of a foreign government on our soils. He is doing nothing to protect America as per his oath. Also, as a Muslim, he knows this, he know far better, he knows sharia, but is looking to deceive America.

For all interested...Wanna learn more?

http://thehayride.com/2010/08/louisiana-at-leading-edge-in-fight-against-shariah/#more-5392

and this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w&feature=player_embedded

Lets keep America, America!

Obama? Obama and Company? Should be tried for treason in this issue for promoting the establishment of a foreign government on our soils. As a Muslim, he knows this, he knows sharia, but is looking to deceive America.


9 posted on 08/19/2010 5:56:24 PM PDT by himno hero
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To: Doe Eyes

Does anybody know what the zoning is for that block in NYC?


10 posted on 08/19/2010 5:58:07 PM PDT by grassboots.org (I'll Say It Again - The First Freedom is Life.)
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About 80% of Americans are UNIFIED against this mosque.

DEHUMANIZING TRADITIONAL AMERICA, THE OBAMA GOAL

That makes no difference to the national socialist elite in power, they want to cow America with their Utopia. The former needless genocidal 9/11 sacrifice of 3800 innocent lives is trumped by “ minority rights.” This is just the beginning if Obama and his national socialist junta is allowed to stay in power. People in general should make no mistake about it.

The dehumanization of the 9/11 victims is the goal Obama has.Once this is accomplished, the sky is the limit for this sort of thing.He means to define who is humanand who is not. And then we are to watch silently as Obama’s plan to isolate and disempower middle America socially , politically and economically accelerates. Dehumanization of sectors of society is a major fascist technique. So far he has dehumanized many, including the Fort Hood shooting victims, as the sanctity of Muslims is preserved in our military over the necessity for American justice and the future protection of our military personell.

On a parallel matter, Obama is redistricting America as we speak, using the 2010 census. The defining parameters will be to cloister racial and ethnic minorites into their own Congressional constituncies. Subsequently the plan is to pit that block of racial and ethnic minority voters against the rest of America. The “ minority rights” aspect of this mosque argument will then be applied to budgeting. Special federal programs to provide “historical justice “ for the so called ‘exploited” will be put in place. Using fannie / freddie for affirmative action lending nearly destroyed our nation and the world economy, and now Obama wants to remake Fannie /Freddie? You can imagine the image in which he will remake these bogus institutions, even Barney Frank is bailing.

There is a very large comprehensive plan, and the mosque right now is the icon on a much larger political battle front. America is kept ignorant of this larger battle. The Obama Utopia is a cultural mosaic, not a melting pot, and he is quietly going about this redefinition of America which will now be rammed down our throats , using his executive powers, the Supreme Court, and a cowed Congress.

Obama will not unite America, he intends to divide it and conquer it, and will use force to do so if he thinks it necessary.Thats why he manifests a burgeoning Secret Service personal security plan which now freezes our municipalities as he travels about our nation.Its a message, part of his campaign to cow America into submission.

This mosque must not be built, if it is, it will likely be destroyed. As Rush Limbaugh says, can one imagine building a Shinto Temple adjacent to the USS Arizona at Pearl Harbor, 10 years after it happened there?

You can see the reasoning here about the overall Obama approach which he has very carefully revealed to America in fits and starts, so few will connect the dots. This is his so called transparency:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html


11 posted on 08/19/2010 6:10:30 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Man50D

Also Muslims are allowed to lie and deceive according to the Koran. It is called taqiyyah and kitman. Western Civilization is a sucker for this because they can’t comprehend lying and deception being required by one’s religion. Such behavior goes against judeo-christain moral values. The Imam of the GZ Mosque is using this tactic and it is required/accepted/encouraged by Islam when dealing with non-Muslims. This behavior plays America’s freedom of religion and freedom of speech like a fiddle or sucker’s bet. Muslims say one thing, mean another and it is fine with them.

Example Yassir Arafat talked peace with the US and Israel, but meant something totally different than what the US and Israel interpreted it to mean.

There is a DVD available that clearly shows this divide. It is titled “Farewell Israel....A Political Documentary” by Joel Gilbert. I would encourage everyone to buy/rent and watch it. After watching it you will understand the taqiyyah and kitman used by Muslims with the GZ Mosque and The Israel-Fakeistinian “peace” process and how there is no such thing as muslim understanding and cooperation with non-muslims.


12 posted on 08/19/2010 6:20:22 PM PDT by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: grassboots.org

The backers of this mosque are certainly not doing anything to show the community at large that they are interested in peace. The imam is keeping himself incommunicado, refusing to answer questions from reporters. The developer/spokesman has adopted an in-your-face attitude and refused all discussion about compromise. Other backers have asserted that they will be open to accepting contributions from Saudi Arabia and Iran, which is like sticking a thumb in the eye of Americans. There have been no attempts to meet with the families of victims or try to win them over.

They appear to assume that the only person they have had to win over is Bloomberg (by what means is a matter of conjecture) and the rest of the community can go fly a kite.

From their actions, you have to assume that the construction of this mosque is meant to demonstrate a humiliation of the infidel, not to serve as a symbol of peace and understanding.


13 posted on 08/19/2010 6:41:08 PM PDT by BusterBear
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And what Bllomberg isn’t telling the piublic is his position is disigenious. Why? Becasue his company Blloberg LLC made Dubai a financiacial hub for expanding its business into shari’a finance. Can you say protecting his self-interest at the expense of NYC and the 9/11 victims’ families. her is a link entitled “ Ground Zero Mosque Madness: NYC Mayor Bloomberg’s Bloomberg LLC expanding its financial center to a regional hub in Dubai” that lays it out very well: http://emergingcorruption.com/?p=726

Bloomberg could care less about freedom of speech nor religion. He is only protecting his investment in Islamic Dubai.


14 posted on 08/19/2010 6:47:37 PM PDT by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: grassboots.org

What these people really want is for inhabitants of the Freedom Tower (when its finally built) to hear the Muslim call to prayer 5X per day. Its an “in your face” thing.


15 posted on 08/19/2010 6:59:19 PM PDT by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: grassboots.org

I would Nuke Mecca but thats me ....I would have stabbed them in the heart the day after we found out who done it thwere would have been no war it would have been over !


16 posted on 08/19/2010 7:08:02 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Any man may make a mistake ; none but a fool will persist in it . { Latin proverb })
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost

Thanks for the link. Bloomberg is a POS.


17 posted on 08/19/2010 7:28:33 PM PDT by BusterBear
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost

Ted Olson, the anointed “conservative” by the drive-by media liars argued there is a “right to marry” in he Constitution.

Olson on Fox news, is now arguing there is a “right to build” in the Constitution.

Since Islamic law allows a man to have four wives, will Terd Olson argue they have a “right to marry” as well???

The Second Amendment is illegal in NYC.

These legal hacks like Terd Olson have given us endless, cascading rivers of lies about why an American citizen cannot own a gun in NYC, but now they want to tell me that a foreign enemy has Constitutional rights they would routinely deny a citizen of this country?

Maybe this mosque will perform polygamous gay marriages and Ted Olson is angling for a black burqa judicial appointement from Sodom Hussein Obama...

Bloomberg wears fishnet stockings and a garter belt under his burqa...


18 posted on 08/22/2010 4:16:51 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Ditto that here...

Islamic birth control is a bomb strapped to a ten year old...


19 posted on 08/22/2010 4:19:43 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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