Update to Lt. Col. Lakin's recent debacle

http://americangrandjury.org/courts-martial-defense ^ | 09-02-2010 | modelships

[MODELSHIPS]

A well-defined analysis of the debacle Lt. Col. Lakin faced earlier this week.

[MODELSHIPS]

This is an update which clarifies many questions I had in my mind about the exhibit earlier this week of raw-boned stupidity exhibited by the alleged judge, colonel who arbitrarily chose to deny Lt. Col. Lakin his lawful and rightful chance to defend his position. In her mind, it appears that Lt. Col. Lakin is already "Guilty" and must now prove his "Innocence" with no recourse to legal avenues the law allows.

[centurion316]

I can’t agree that this is a good explanation of the Judge’s ruling in the Lakin case. It seems to be a more of a political plea than a discussion of the law as it was applied in the judge’s decision. They don’t get off to a good start by relying on WND for an account of what happened in the courtroom. They probably should have waited until the transcript was available.

I suspect the judge used similar military cases to help form her opinion. There are a number to choose from: CPT Yolanda Huet-Vaughan, Specialist Michael New, and Major Joyce Walmer come to mind, but I know that there are others. The gist of all these cases is that they tried to use a military legal proceeding to advance a political agenda. Neither the military justice system or the civilian appeals courts thought that was a good idea. Looks like this judge is right in line with what her predecessors have done.

[okie01]

Looks like this judge is right in line with what her predecessors have done.

My impression, as well. The judge has ruled that eligibility for the office of President is beyond the purview of a military court.

I can agree with that.

However, her ruling leaves unanswered the question of "Who shall determine eligibility for the office of President?"

Nonetheless, her ruling makes that a legitimate question -- which should be directed to the civil courts and Congress.

It begs the question...

[Jim Noble]

However, her ruling leaves unanswered the question of "Who shall determine eligibility for the office of President?"

1) Those who chuse the Electors

2) The Electoral College

3) The special Joint Session of Congress which counts the votes and certifies the election.

All 3 have spoken.

[Balata]

LTC Lakin need only assert the following:

On the basis of Article II – Section I of the US Constitution, supported by Article I – Section VIII – Item X concerning the Law of Nations and the term “natural born citizen,” – I hereby refuse any and all illegal orders issued by the illegal Commander-in-Chief of the United States Military, President Barack Hussein Obama, on the basis that he does not meet Constitutional requirements for the office he currently holds and must further hereby demand that he be removed from office and immediately relieved of Command of the United States Military. I further assert that due to the illegal status of existing Military high Command that this Court Martial has no authority under which to proceed.

Under this assertion, there is no need for access to the birth records of Barack Hussein Obama, II, unless Mr. Obama chooses to respond by stating that Barack Hussein Obama is not his real birth father, in which case Mr. Obama is admitting to fraud during his pursuit of the Oval Office.

In the event that the UCMJ chooses to challenge the historically accurate definition of the term “natural born citizen” described herein, the US Supreme Court is the only court in the land with proper authority to rule on the true meaning of the term “natural born citizen” – as stated by the Constitutional protections that LTC Lakin has sworn a lifetime to protect and defend.

With this assertion is place, LTC Lakin does not have to prove that his assertions are true and accurate. As Commander-in-Chief, Barack Hussein Obama must prove that Lakin’s assertion is false in order to proceed with the government prosecution of LTC Lakin on the grounds that he has “unlawfully” refused orders.

In short, Mr. Obama must prove that his orders are in fact “lawful.” If Obama is either unable or unwilling to do so, then LTC Lakin is in fact NOT GUILTY of “unlawfully” refusing orders.

So tell us what is wrong with this line of reasoning? It seems they are suggesting an assertion by LTC Lakin which could change the outcome of this of this trial.

[so_real]

Tossing a man who has served his country honorably for eighteen years, a doctor for pete's sake, into Leavenworth for what??? For the benefit of a man without a birth certificate who is systematically destroying the core of the nation. It makes me ill in many ways. I'm so very tired of people doing what's easy instead of what's right. This is America! Time to grow a pair.

[okie01]

Your response has merit. I'm not arguing with it.

[napscoordinator]

For what? The man went UA. Send him to prison for life! We cannot have people just decide not to deploy anytime they don’t agree with something. This is an open and shut case. The guy deserted his troops by not going with them. I am in the military and actually have duty today. Should I just not go in because the President might not be who he says he is? I guarantee I would be in huge trouble come Tuesday!!!

[knarf]

I never knew the 'judge' was a woman.

Spare me the "And what's wrong with THAT?" ... because the decision to foist impeachment on congress instead of addressing the legal matter smacks of kneepadding.

[LucyT]

. . . . Update.

[spookie]

a commission officer swears an oath to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution against all enemies, foreig and domestic. Only the legitimate Commander in chief can order an officer to perform specific duties, i.e, and control over nuclear weapons. Article II, Section 1 has only two requirements namely 35 years of age and natural born. No person with dual citizen which Obama had at birth meets that fundamental requirement. This is why he refuse to present his birth certificate.

[Red Steel]

3. Lind ruled that it was:

# c. the chain of command led up to the Pentagon, and that should have been sufficient for Lakin.

This is absolute bull crap. The chain of command leads up to the president of the United States where he derives his sole authority from the Constitution of the United States. And all the military officers under his command derive their authority of office from the US Constitution. It begins and ends with the US Constitution.

No "judge" your answer is not "sufficient," it is however dishonest.

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

Try to remember the guy is an 05(18 YOS) and not an E1 who decided to blow off going back to base.This was not a whimsical decision on his part.

[azishot]

On another thread I said that I’d wondered if Col. Lind would inform B0 that the chain of command led to the Pentagon. Did she mean to imply that there really wasn’t any use for a CIC? (Well, actually in his case he really is of no use.)

[so_real]

Send a highly decorated army flight surgeon with 18 years of honorable service and a willingness to redeploy to "prison for life" because he takes his Oath of Office seriously and the Pres__ent doesn't. Great plan you have there. If you don't take care of your own, who's going to take care of you? I pray for your safety on deployment. You are a patriot. And, all the more so, I pray for patriots like Lakin who are willing to throw the tea into the harbor and suffer what may come for the good of this nation. The man has brass stones and I admire him.

[danamco]

Biran Williams’ interview with Baracka Hussein Amu Amama who said: “I can’t have birth certificate plastered on my forehead” was a 3:00 AM red phone call to Barbie Doll, “Col.” Denise Lind!!!

[danamco]

Isn’t the Barbie Doll Lind putting herself in deep deep trouble by breaking the command line???

[Iscool]

Would you also raise your weapon against Americans defending the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution if your current CIC ordered you to???

[Does so]

FYI: In case you missed it (here) newly-appointed SCOTUS Judge Kagan previously quashed several Ubama birth certificate lawsuits.

[napscoordinator]

I don’t even begin to think that is the same thing. The LtCol raised his right hand to support the military. The president did not direct him literally to go to Afganistan. His Commanding Officer did...there is no argument over this. He is wrong and will be held accountable.