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Washington state: Muslim inmates suing jail, saying they're prevented from practicing their religion
Jihad Watch ^ | September 23, 2010 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 09/23/2010 8:15:02 PM PDT by Stoat

Washington state: Muslim inmates suing jail, saying they're prevented from practicing their religion

Yet a prosecutor says that "the jail offers Muslims meals without pork and allows them to pray together and perform ritual cleansing." So possibly this is an attempt to gain special status and special privileges for Muslim inmates in this jail.

"Muslim inmates suing Pierce County Jail," from AP, September 23 (thanks to Twostellas):

TACOMA, Wash. -- Two Muslim inmates from the Pierce County Jail in Tacoma are suing, claiming they are banned from practicing their religion.

The lawsuit was filed this week with the help of the ACLU and Public Interest Law Group in federal court in Tacoma.

The News Tribune reports that inmates Raymond Wesley Garland and Larry Edward Tarrer say the jail prohibits Muslims from group prayer, bans certain religious clothing and refuses to accommodate their diet.

You're in jail. When in jail, you should not expect special accommodation of your demands.

A deputy prosecutor who represents the jail, Craig Adams, disputes the claims. He says the jail offers Muslims meals without pork and allows them to pray together and perform ritual cleansing.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Washington; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: groundzeromosque; islam; islamofascism; jail; koran; muslim; muslims; obama; palin; piercecounty; prison; quoran; sharia; washington; washingtonstate
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(Update to story posted above)

Islamic accommodations in Washington state jails- Power plays and priorities - Jihad Watch

Islamic accommodations in Washington state jails: Power plays and priorities

Additional thoughts on this story:

Regarding uniforms, and Muslim inmates' complains about bans on "certain religious clothing": Of all places, the social equalizer that uniforms provide is essential to attempting to keep the peace in a jail. The last thing one ought to want in a place where no one wants to be, but they all got there for a reason, is the emergence of a visibly privileged class to stir the pot.

One must wonder what the specific grievance is: no skullcaps? When did they become a pillar of Islam? Or, are the pants too long, trailing on the ground in a most un-Sunnah way? Either way, one returns to the fundamental purpose of having uniforms in the first place.

Regarding food: While Muslim inmates are not offered pork, the most likely remaining grievance here is that the rest of the meat on the menu is (gasp!) not halal. They could go for any variety of vegetarianism, which would certainly not be unheard of in Western Washington, but who should have to do that when you're just so special? A more vegetarian diet would be the non-obstructive way to go, while the name of the game here is this: Being Seen While Being Muslim.

There are several issues to consider in this case. One is the inmates' personal sense of entitlement and resource-sapping efforts to game the system from within. For that matter, this fixation keeps them from addressing the internal factors that landed them in jail in the first place. After all, they're the "victims" now!

But along with generating tension and resentment where no more is needed, the creation of a privileged Muslim class in the jail would also create an incentive for other prisoners to convert to Islam for the perks, as we have seen in the U.K. And there is strength in numbers: so much the better for more demands, and for the intimidation of other inmates.

There is also the question of what happens when prisoners who have been so indoctrinated are released, or if they attempt to shrug off what may have seemed like a convenient conversion, inside or outside of prison. Indeed, it would be like dealing with a prison gang on steroids. Not every prison gang has Allah's own prophet commanding the slaughter of those who would attempt to leave the fold.

But there is still a greater issue: This case also sets up a telling comparison of values and priorities that has far-reaching implications for how a society operates. One that is in play here is the emphasis on external piety through the demand for the "right" to wear special religious clothing. The focus on external displays, together with and a closed, segregated society are a serious recipe for dysfunction. And that goes for Islamic societies in general, not just prisons.

Even more broadly, there is the matter of how resources and human efforts are allocated for the sake of what one supposes to be "good." When comparing the religious texts of Islam and Christianity, one notices a striking contrast in the exhaustive cataloging in the ahadith of Muhammad's mannerisms, preferences, personal comportment and appearance, which is why one finds Muslims in Afghanistan and Pakistan growing violent over their neighbors' unwillingness to grow a beard, tailor their pants above their ankles, and so forth. On the other hand, the Gospels, Acts, and Epistles are perhaps deliberately vague on the appearances and sartorial preferences of Jesus and the early Christians. Indeed, we don't even get much on what the prophets and patriarchs of the Hebrew Scriptures wore, and certainly not in the prescriptive sense that accompanies stories about Muhammad (see also: Qur'an 33:21).

Why?

Perhaps it's because none of those features are the important thing about who they were or what they did, where worthy imitation is at issue. And focusing on those would be the easy way out on showing "piety."

Our society is demonstrably better for that higher placement of priorities, even among those who would deny any Judeo-Christian influence in this regard, taking these attitudes and others for granted as human nature because they have never experienced a culture where that influence has been actively suppressed and expunged.


1 posted on 09/23/2010 8:15:05 PM PDT by Stoat
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To: Stoat

Anybody getting tired of political correctness yet?


2 posted on 09/23/2010 8:17:33 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do.)
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To: sionnsar; 4woodenboats; Just Lori; SJackson; knighthawk
He says the jail offers Muslims meals without pork and allows them to pray together and perform ritual cleansing.

I would imagine that women dressed in Darth Vader outfits are regularly brought in for ritual beatings and stonings as well, and faux bomb belts are provided so that the inmates can dress in their accustomed manner.

3 posted on 09/23/2010 8:19:58 PM PDT by Stoat (If you want a vision of the future, imagine a Birkenstock stamping on a human face... forever)
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To: Stoat

pardon me while i barf


4 posted on 09/23/2010 8:21:14 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys)
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To: Stoat

OK fine there muhammed. We will treat you like your damn country treats Christians or Jews. Would you like your head cut off slowly or quickly?

Pig f ers.


5 posted on 09/23/2010 8:24:17 PM PDT by Texas resident (Outlaw fisherman)
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To: Stoat

“Muslim inmates suing jail, saying they’re prevented from practicing their religion”

I seriously doubt the prison system is going to provide them with bomb making supplies.


6 posted on 09/23/2010 8:24:43 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the Right Stuff!)
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To: Stoat

They can pray facing East whenever they want, right?

They’ve got toilets to wash their feet in, don’t they?


7 posted on 09/23/2010 8:27:17 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Stoat

At least they’re not suing to have all of the toilets moved so that they don’t face Mecca. (Of course, in England, the government does this voluntarily.)


8 posted on 09/23/2010 8:28:55 PM PDT by Rybashka
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Anybody getting tired of political correctness yet?

It is the cancer that has been destroying every facet of human life and society for the entire time I've been alive.

9 posted on 09/23/2010 8:32:09 PM PDT by Stoat (If you want a vision of the future, imagine a Birkenstock stamping on a human face... forever)
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To: Stoat

I like to read Theodore Dalrymple articles. It is a pen name for a psychiatrist who worked in the British prison system until he retired recently. He had a lot of experience dealing with Muslim prisoners over there. Among other things, he said the Muslim youth there lived lives just like other British hooligans and did not practice their faith at all unless it enabled them to get special privileges or avoid hearings because of holidays and such. In other words, they were foul-weather or opportunistic practitioners of Islam and ate, drank and fornicated with the best of the regular British youth of their generation at all other times.

I doubt whether it is all that different here.


10 posted on 09/23/2010 8:33:20 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: Stoat

Maybe they would like a shot at the 72 virgins?


11 posted on 09/23/2010 8:33:48 PM PDT by existtoexcel
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To: catnipman
A few million rubber stamps need to be made and distributed to all agencies in the country and used when making a reply to all such requests. Each stamp would only contain 4 large letters...... STFU.
12 posted on 09/23/2010 8:34:40 PM PDT by JPG (Care for another lobster, Mookie? How's your steak? Ready for another triple Stoli/rocks?)
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To: Stoat

Hey koranimals!

Practicing your “religion” is probably what landed you in jail in the first place. Your murderous “religion” isn’t worth a damn.

Why the hell would a freedom loving, peaceful society let you “practice” the crap?

Get out of our country.


13 posted on 09/23/2010 8:39:35 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate: Republicans freed the slaves Month.)
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To: Stoat

Funny, i could be in a jail cell stripped nekkid and chained to wall and I could still say “Our Father”. I guess they aren’t very good muslims if they cannot route memorize the koran.....


14 posted on 09/23/2010 8:41:34 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Stoat

Every muslim thief, okay, let’s just chop off one of your hands. If you’ve been a repeat offender chop off the alternating foot.

Do you really want muslim treatment?


15 posted on 09/23/2010 8:42:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Stoat

Part of my religion involves getting outdoors, breathing fresh air, climbing mountains, taking long hikes and solitude with nature. If I decided to become a jailbird, do you suppose they could accomadate me?


16 posted on 09/23/2010 8:47:36 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: catnipman
They're lucky...if I were in charge, those goat humpers would be prevented from breathing.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

17 posted on 09/23/2010 8:51:00 PM PDT by wku man (Steel yourselves, patriots, and be ready. Won't be long now....)
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To: Vigilanteman
 If I decided to become a jailbird, do you suppose they could accomadate me?

If you join a cult whose goal is overthrowing Western Civilization, and which is populated by belligerent, litigious, hysterical murderers who are eager to die in the process of killing as many non-believers as they possibly can, yes they will accommodate you.

18 posted on 09/23/2010 8:54:33 PM PDT by Stoat (If you want a vision of the future, imagine a Birkenstock stamping on a human face... forever)
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To: Stoat

Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.


19 posted on 09/23/2010 8:59:42 PM PDT by Califreak (A man is defined by the nature of his enemies-Preach it Rush!)
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To: Stoat

Garland was at a tavern when he shot someone...


20 posted on 09/23/2010 9:09:43 PM PDT by MarMema
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