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To: dartuser

Some people can never believe in God because they are not spiritual. Even if Heisman stayed alive until his last natural breath, he would still spend an eternity in hell or the void or the abyss or wherever.

Most people should not be conceived in the first place. Assuming that a personal God exists (which is very unlikely), he makes a considerable number of mistakes. God makes more eternal sufferers than anyone else.

Every time you give life to a child you are participating in this cosmic horror. The chance of the child not becoming a follower of Christ is VERY likely.

The only rational thing for some of us to do is to make sure we are not responsible for bringing life and then to commit suicide after a solid suicide plan is established.

I’m looking forward to it :)


69 posted on 10/01/2010 3:04:22 PM PDT by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: Soothesayer
Some people can never believe in God because they are not spiritual.

Men are spiritual by nature, not by choice.

Most people should not be conceived in the first place.

I presume you made an exception for yourself ... that you at least view yourself as worthy of conception.

Assuming that a personal God exists (which is very unlikely), he makes a considerable number of mistakes.

You, a created being, set yourself as a judge over Him who created you?

The only rational thing for some of us to do is to make sure we are not responsible for bringing life and then to commit suicide after a solid suicide plan is established.

19 There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day.
20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores
21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried.
23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
24 So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
25 But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
27 He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house,
28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
29 Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'
30 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'
31 He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "

Luke 16:19-31

72 posted on 10/01/2010 7:50:48 PM PDT by dartuser
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To: Soothesayer
Assuming that a personal God exists (which is very unlikely), he makes a considerable number of mistakes

Mistakes, compared to what?

Mistake, fault or error presupposes a standard of right, accuracy, correctness, or truth. How do you account for such a standard from nothing but mindless, purposeless, evolutionary, ever-changing matter in motion, which is all your brain, its by-products and everything else in the universe was, is or ever will be. And if that's is all there is, there is nothing to compare it to. A 'mistake' is a contradiction in terms from a naturalistic, darwinian premise, which by definition declaims any goal or purpose to the universe. Physical forces of chance/necessity do not make "mistakes". So where did you get this notion of a deviation from a standard by which to judge something a mistake? You just take it for granted that there is a standard, but can you justify or account for it from an atheistic premise?

74 posted on 10/02/2010 12:02:16 AM PDT by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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