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Darby Township To Issue Fines Over ‘Saved Spots’(after digging car out of snow)
philly.cbslocal.com ^ | January 12, 2011 9:57 PM | Todd Quinones, CBS 3

Posted on 01/13/2011 5:54:26 AM PST by rawhide

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To: rawhide
Maybe a piece of 2x4 with nails in it buried in the snow might prevent that.
21 posted on 01/13/2011 6:24:58 AM PST by bikerman (Where Has My America Gone?)
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To: rawhide

I see this a lot in my town, but since I have a garage I’m “above the fray” :-)


22 posted on 01/13/2011 6:27:37 AM PST by Batrachian (I learned everything I needed to know about Islam on 9/11)
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To: pnh102

In the old days did you not own the space in front of your house?

Perhaps they should allow reserving for a set time. If you exceed 1 hour reserve time then the fine risk.


23 posted on 01/13/2011 6:32:58 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: pnh102

“...people just could not accept that these are public streets and they do not own the part of the street in front of their house.”

Luckily I grew up in a part of the city with driveways, so ownership of that sort of shoveled pavement was never an issue.

But it is an age-old argument among folks in the densely-populated parts of the city, with some good points on both sides.

You’re right - the streets are public - but the physical effort required to clear a major snow dump is very personal. Moreover, the public aspect of snow removal only exacerbates the issue, since the plows, in taking care of the middle of the side-streets just make things worse at the curbs.

I’m just glad it’s a dispute I never had to be involved in at a personal level.


24 posted on 01/13/2011 6:34:01 AM PST by Stosh
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To: org.whodat
No one makes them live there.

You got it right there. If one wants the "conveniences" of city living, there are prices to pay.

I have a garage and drive way and usually just park in my drive way. Two feet of snow? My 4WD plows right through it and mother nature put the snow there? She can take it away.

Any shoveling to be done, patios, pathways? That's why one has grand sons nearby.

25 posted on 01/13/2011 6:35:03 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Don't tell Obama what comes after a trillion)
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To: rawhide
Many years ago when I lived in an apartment complex, I was the only resident there that would take the time to shovel off the front walkway of my building and several parking spots on the side of the building.

After one humongous snow storm, I shoveled the entire walkway in front own to the parking lot then I spent another hour shoveling out my car. The snow was deep! Needless to say, nobody else was out there with their own shovels.

Anyway, I had to go out someplace that evening and when I returned somebody had parked in my spot.

Well, I then had to go shovel out another spot for my car then when I was done, I went back to the other car and replaced all the snow that I had previously removed and maybe twice as much more just for principle.......

26 posted on 01/13/2011 6:35:19 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only thing Super Glue is good for is gluing your fingers together.....)
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Do you have to park a car?

How about one of those ww ii fake cars?

or just a simulated car.


27 posted on 01/13/2011 6:42:15 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia; rawhide
And more!!!


28 posted on 01/13/2011 6:44:54 AM PST by MadelineZapeezda (Skin-color counters are bigots!!...(thanks paulycy))
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To: rawhide

On behalf of the theory of property rights generally accepted by the American Founders—that expounded by Locke—I want to defend the practice of “dibs” on shoveled parking spots and object to Darby’s ordinance.

The public streets are indeed public, common in terms of Lockean property theory, and under ordinary circumstances remain so. Following a blizzard, however, the distinction between a shoveled parking spot and one filled with snow becomes meaningful. So long as that distinction is meaningful, the person or family that put labor into the creation of a shoveled parking spot, thereby adding value to the common property, has a claim on the added value. Unlike homesteading, the claim is not permanent, but only makes sense while the added value persists: until the snow melts for the street is adequately cleared.

Darby’s ordinance is typical statist “liberalism” writ small—punish the producers of shoveled parking spaces.


29 posted on 01/13/2011 6:49:11 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Wurlitzer
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! When I used my snow blower you can only imagine where all this excess snow went.

Except they also added a $300 fine for shoveling snow out into the street.

30 posted on 01/13/2011 6:51:54 AM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: rawhide
And exactly how much of that fine revenue do you think will find its
way towards actually removing snow from residential parking areas?
31 posted on 01/13/2011 6:53:44 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: rawhide

I avoid such problems by living in the state of my ancestors...the lovely state of North Carolina!

Don’t bother coming, though. I saw the census figures, and we’re full up here. :P


32 posted on 01/13/2011 6:57:30 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: rawhide

You used your wife to hold a parking space? On your honeymoon? And you’re still married? ;-)


33 posted on 01/13/2011 7:05:53 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia (Forcing one person to pay for the irresponsibility of another is NOT social justice.)
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To: MadelineZapeezda

ROFL!


34 posted on 01/13/2011 7:06:33 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia (Forcing one person to pay for the irresponsibility of another is NOT social justice.)
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To: PeteB570
I’d just shovel the new spot - making sure I threw the hard packed snow around the lazy persons car.

"The township also passed an ordinance to fine people $300 if they shovel snow back out on to the street."

35 posted on 01/13/2011 7:08:56 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: rawhide
I don't know how it is in Yankeeland bur here in Fort Worth Texas my property line is the middle of the street in front of my yard and to the middle of the ally behind my yard and I pay property taxes on all of it each year. It my be public but I pay for it when I buy it and when I remit my far above market value taxes. But on the plus side I also own the mineral rights to all of it too. To get an idea of what the founders thought about property you should read John Locke's “Second Treatises on Civil Government” It explains that what makes something yours is the work and money you put into it.
36 posted on 01/13/2011 7:12:58 AM PST by fella (.He that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough." Pv.28:19')
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37 posted on 01/13/2011 7:13:31 AM PST by mikey_hates_everything
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To: The_Reader_David

Exactly so, and well said. Thank you for pinpointing the salient point.


38 posted on 01/13/2011 7:18:19 AM PST by Eroteme
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To: The_Reader_David

heh heh...excellent analysis.


39 posted on 01/13/2011 7:18:23 AM PST by Claud
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To: longtermmemmory
In the old days did you not own the space in front of your house?

I would not know the answer to this question, but in most places, all roads are owned by the state or local government. Nobody can just lay claim to a section of public property just because it happens to be in front of their residence.

As another poster pointed out, this is one of the costs of living in a densely populated urban area.

40 posted on 01/13/2011 7:20:44 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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