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A Conversation with Bernard Lewis
NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE The Corner ^ | February 01, 2011 | Jay Nordlinger

Posted on 02/01/2011 5:17:09 PM PST by neverdem

Professor Lewis, as you know, is the dean of Middle East historians. Many of us regard an acquaintance with his books, articles, and ideas as indispensable to an understanding of the Middle East. National Review is very fortunate to count him as a friend. He has been a star of our cruises — including last November.

I have just spoken to Professor Lewis by phone. He is in the Middle East, whose biggest concern at the moment is Egypt. I am in New York, whose biggest concern is possible snow.

Lewis says, first of all, that “it’s too early to say anything definitive” — anything definitive about Egypt. He is too smart, too experienced to make many pronouncements while events are in flux. He says, “Things look a little better than they did” a couple of days ago. “But they could go badly wrong.”

“The immediate alternatives are not attractive.” What are those? “Continuation, in some modified form, of the present regime, or a takeover by the Muslim Brotherhood. Obviously, the former is better.”

Are we witnessing a democratic revolt? “I don’t know what ‘democratic’ would mean in this context. It is certainly a popular revolt.” Egyptians are suffering from both unfreedom and material want. (They usually go hand in hand.) “The economic situation in Egypt is very, very bad. A large percentage live below the poverty line.”

Here is something to bear in mind: “The fact that this regime,” the Mubarak regime, “has good relations with the United States and Israel only seems to discredit the idea of good relations with the United States and Israel.”

And here is a question of the hour: Is Egypt 2011 like Iran 1979? Lewis: “Yes, there are certain similarities. I hope we don’t repeat the same mistakes.” The Carter administration handled events in Iran “poorly.”

The Obama administration should ponder something, as should we all: “At the moment, the general perception, in much of the Middle East, is that the United States is an unreliable friend and a harmless enemy. I think we want to give the exact opposite impression”: one of being a reliable friend and a dangerous enemy. “That is the way to be perceived.”

These revolts are catching, and long have been. Tunisia precipitated Egypt. “One country throws out its tyrant, and the rest are immediately encouraged to do the same.” I ask whether the Jordanians will revolt. Lewis answers, “Depends on what happens in Egypt.”

He notes that “many of our so-called friends in the region are inefficient kleptocracies. But they’re better than the Islamic radicals.” Democrats, however, are best of all: “and they do exist.” 


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: bernardlewis; egypt; islam; lewis
The Egyptians hate us
1 posted on 02/01/2011 5:17:10 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
At the moment, the general perception, in much of the Middle East, is that the United States is an unreliable friend and a harmless enemy.

Carter might have been an unreliable friend, but Obama is quite reliable. The question is 'who are his friends?' His friends are not the allies of the U.S. and they don't include Israel.

Obama has told us who he stands with (and his effort to obscure his real meaning behind 'context' was a smokescreen). It is our fault if we didn't listen.

2 posted on 02/01/2011 5:30:51 PM PST by SonOfDarkSkies (I am inspired by the uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt and call for the ouster of Obama!)
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To: neverdem
And here is a question of the hour: Is Egypt 2011 like Iran 1979? Lewis: “Yes, there are certain similarities. I hope we don’t repeat the same mistakes.” The Carter administration handled events in Iran “poorly.”

In both Iran and now Egypt there were the Islamic fundamentalists waiting for the opportune time to inject themselves into the chaos and confusion. I've wonder if the leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood are as radical, or as fundamentalist as Ayatollah Khomeini and the ayatollahs who followed him. It's always seemed that the holy men of Iran were about the wackiest and most strident of all.

3 posted on 02/01/2011 6:30:07 PM PST by Will88
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
At the moment, the general perception, in much of the Middle East, is that the United States is an unreliable friend and a harmless enemy.

I would say, around the world. The USA as led by Barack Obama: no worse friend, no better enemy.

5 posted on 02/02/2011 6:11:32 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: neverdem

btt


6 posted on 02/02/2011 12:52:23 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Cacique

Bookmark


7 posted on 02/02/2011 4:44:43 PM PST by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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