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To: Liz; ken5050; Above My Pay Grade
Apparently, some "facts" in this NYT article may be inaccurate. Also, lawyers for Sterling Equities are more aggressive than many other "clawbacks" and came up with a monkey wrench defense:

From Lawyers: Sterling Defendants Don't Owe Madoff Trustee Money - CNBC, by Darren Rovell, 2011 February 03


15 posted on 02/03/2011 12:21:59 AM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy; ken5050; Above My Pay Grade; Frantzie
Lawyers representing Sterling Equities (the investing entity), whose principals, Fred Wilpon and his BIL Saul Katz, also own the Mets say Wilpon and Katz knew nothing of Madoff's $65B scheme, as has been alleged.

Mmmmmmm........typical lawyerly defense. The legal team is paid to deny, deny, deny.

Collusion looms large here----appears Wilpon and his BIL Katz were engaged in massive money-laundering and tax evasion---and were an unlicensed feeder fund to Madoff, suckering in a lot of people, including Mets players.

.......the breadth and depth of investing w/ Madoff by the Wilpon and Katz families, their financial holdings, including the Mets finances, are astounding.

Trustee Picard’s lawsuit seeking hundreds of millions of dollars from the two, takes aim at roughly 100 accounts held by Wilpon, Katz, their families or business operations. An outside auditor's analysis of Madoff’s 15,000 clients, found more than 500 accounts tied to Wilpon and Katz. Wilpon had at least 17 accounts under his name alone........

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EXCERPT FROM ARTICLE: “Madoff was an investment vehicle that existed for Fred Wilpon and the Mets organization,” one former Mets employee said.

---substantial aspects of the Met’s financial operations seemed to flow through, or wind up with Madoff — annuities set up for players, cash generated by sponsorship deals, and more. The team regularly discussed investing deferred money from long-term player contracts in Madoff accounts. Bobby Bonilla was among the players who had their deferred money put with Mr. Madoff, one former employee said. In those cases, the players would agree to take less money up front and be paid over a number of years, earning interest.

The Wilpons profited when the Mets kept any money earned over that agreed rate......When disability insurance costs piked, the Mets began to self insure....investing premiums with Madoff.

For his part, Madoff continued to "produce" returns that outdid prevailing interest rates........on paper.

16 posted on 02/03/2011 2:09:06 AM PST by Liz
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To: CutePuppy; Liz
There are lots of inaccuracies in the statements regarding Mets deferred compensation agreements and possible links to Madoff. I can address this on two levels - first, as a CFP, I have an excellent understanding of deferred comp, and more importantly, during the 80's and 90's several Mets senior executives were clients of mine, so I've seen and reviewed their existing deferred comp agreements.

In order to correct, we first have to understand the basics of deferred comp. It is a NON-QUALIFIED plan, as opposed to a pension plan..in that the participant has NO rights or protections under ERISA. Here's a simple example that explains it.. Say an executive earns a bonus of $5 million. If it's paid to him in a lump sum, and living in NYC, he'll pay about 50% in taxes to fed, state and city. He doesn't really need the money. He's age 60, looking to retire in 5 years, so he enters into an agreement with his employer to "defer" the pay out until age 65, at which time he will receive 5 equal payments of $1 million. The agreement may, or may not, stipulate that he will earn interest on the money at a specified rate, which would result in a larger payout. The employee is a general creditor of the employer, and may stand behind senior bondholders. If the employer goes belly up, the employee is stuck. Just recently, A-Rod was owed $250 mill by the group that owned the Texas Rangers. They filed for bankruptcy, and A-Rod was ultimately made whole, but he was at risk. The employer may, or may NOT decide to set aside funds now against the future obligation. The employer does NOT get a tax deduction for the funds set aside, unlike payments to a qualified pension plan..only when the $$ is actually paid to the employee.

As owners of a baseball team, where players salaries are the single biggest expense, deferred comp can be a very attractive management tool. If the player is willing to sign now, with substantial money deferred, then the team has far greater financial flexibility. And if they can somehow assume, or count on, extravigant rates of return via Madoff investment accounts, then that makes it much easier for ownership.

Taking the earlier example, let's assume that management wanted to fully fund the deferred comp agreement, now, and that they could earn 5% in a T-bond, if they set aside today (this is using round numbers) about $3.7 mill, then in 5 years they would be able to withdraw $1 mill for the next 5 years and send it to the player. However, suppose that they "knew" that they would earn, say 30% on their money each year via Madoff, well, then, the amount they would have to set aside today would be about $1.2 million, and the agreement is fully funded.

That's a HUGE difference, and it could explain why the Mets were willing to enter into several player contracts that at the time seemd to make NO financial sense whatsoever..

19 posted on 02/03/2011 11:26:18 AM PST by ken5050 (Palin/Bachman 2012 - FOUR boobs are better than the two we have now!)
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