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1 posted on 02/10/2011 10:51:56 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I agree!!


2 posted on 02/10/2011 11:01:32 AM PST by Parmy
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To: SeekAndFind
Why do we need a process for interpreting the Constitution?

Because some idiots do not understand what natural-born, no and reserved mean.

ML/NJ

3 posted on 02/10/2011 11:01:32 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: SeekAndFind

It comes down to accepting or rejecting objective truth/rules.

If you are a relativist, then “right” comes out of the barrel of a gun, and who controls the gov’t controls the definition of right and wrong. Gov’t, to a relativist, fulfills the role of God.


4 posted on 02/10/2011 11:04:17 AM PST by MrB (Tagline suspended for important announcement on my home page. Click my handle.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Thanks for posting! The question posed in the title, "Who are the real guardians of the Constitution?" is addressed by Justice Story in the following essay:

Our Ageless Constitution

"The structure has been erected by architects of consummate skill and fidelity; its foundations are solid; its components are beautiful, as well as useful; its arrangements are full of wisdom and order...."
-Justice Joseph Story

Justice Story's words pay tribute to the United States Constitution and its Framers. Shortly before the 100th year of the Constitution, in his "History of the United States of America," written in 1886, historian George Bancroft said:

"The Constitution is to the American people a possession for the ages."

He went on to say:

"In America, a new people had risen up without king, or princes, or nobles....By calm meditation and friendly councils they had prepared a constitution which, in the union of freedom with strength and order, excelled every one known before; and which secured itself against violence and revolution by providing a peaceful method for every needed reform. In the happy morning of their existence as one of the powers of the world, they had chosen Justice as their guide."

And two hundred years after the adoption of this singularly-important document, praised by Justice Story in one century and Historian Bancroft in the next and said by Sir William Gladstone to be "the most wonderful work ever struck off at a given moment by the brain and purpose of man," the Constitution of 1787 - with its Bill of Rights - remains, yet another century later, a bulwark for liberty, an ageless formula for the government of a free people.

In what sense can any document prepared by human hands be said to be ageless? What are the qualities or attributes which give it permanence?

The Qualities of Agelessness

America's Constitution had its roots in the nature, experience, and habits of humankind, in the experience of the American people themselves - their beliefs, customs, and traditions, and in the practical aspects of politics and government. It was based on the experience of the ages. Its provisions were designed in recognition of principles which do not change with time and circumstance, because they are inherent in human nature.

"The foundation of every government," said John Adams, "is some principle or passion in the minds of the people." The founding generation, aware of its unique place in the ongoing human struggle for liberty, were willing to risk everything for its attainment. Roger Sherman stated that as government is "instituted for those who live under it ... it ought, therefore, to be so constituted as not to be dangerous to liberty." And the American government was structured with that primary purpose in mind - the protection of the peoples liberty.

Of their historic role, in framing a government to secure liberty, the Framers believed that the degree of wisdom and foresight brought to the task at hand might well determine whether future generations would live in liberty or tyranny. As President Washington so aptly put it, "the sacred fire of liberty" might depend "on the experiment intrusted to the hands of the American people" That experiment, they hoped, would serve as a beacon of liberty throughout the world.

The Framers of America's Constitution were guided by the wisdom of previous generations and the lessons of history for guidance in structuring a government to secure for untold millions in the future the unalienable rights of individuals. As Jefferson wisely observed:

"History, by apprising the people of the past, will enable them to judge of the future; it will avail them of the experience of other times and other nations; it will qualify them as judges of the actions and designs of men; it will enable them to know ambition under every disguise it may assume; and knowing it, to defeat its views."(Underlining added for emphasis)

The Constitution, it has been said, was "not formed upon abstraction," but upon practicality. Its philosophy and prin­ciples, among others, incorporated these practical aspects:

The Constitution of the United States of America structured a government for what the Founders called a "virtuous people - that is, a people who would be able, as Burke put it, to "put chains on their own appetites" and, without the coercive hand of government, to live peaceably without violating the rights of others. Such a society would need no standing armies to insure internal order, for the moral beliefs, customs, and love for liberty motivating the actions of the people and their representatives in government - the "unwritten" constitution - would be in keeping with their written constitution.

George Washington, in a speech to the State Governors, shared his own sense of the deep roots and foundations of the new nation:

"The foundation of our empire was not laid in the gloomy age of ignorance and superstition; but at an epocha when the rights of mankind were better understood and more clearly defined, than at any former period.... the treasures of knowledge, acquired by the labors of philosophers, sages, and legislators, through a long succession of years, are laid open for our use, and their collective wisdom may be happily applied in the establishment of our forms of government."

And Abraham Lincoln, in the mid-1800's, in celebrating the blessings of liberty, challenged Americans to transmit the "political edifice of liberty and equal rights" of their constitutional government to future generations:

"In the great journal of things happening under the sun, we, the American people, find our account running ... We find ourselves in the peaceful possession, of the fairest portion of the earth....We find ourselves under the government of a system of political institutions, conducing more essentially to the ends of civil and religious liberty, than any of which the history of former times tells us. We found ourselves the legal inheritors of these fundamental blessings. We toiled not in the acquirement or establishment of them - They are a legacy bequeathed us, by a once hardy, brave, and patriotic...race of ancestors. Theirs was the task (and nobly they performed it) to possess themselves, and through themselves, us, of this goodly land; and to uprear upon its hills and its valleys, a political edifice of liberty and equal rights, 'tis ours only, to transmit these...to the latest generation that fate shall permit the world to know...."

Because it rests on sound philosophical foundations and is rooted in enduring principles, the United States Constitution can, indeed, properly be described as "ageless," for it provides the formula for securing the blessings of liberty, establishing justice, insuring domestic tranquillity, promoting the general welfare, and providing for the common defense of a free people who understand its philosophy and principles and who will, with dedication, see that its integrity and vigor are preserved.

Justice Joseph Story was quoted in the caption of this essay as attesting to the skill and fidelity of the architects of the Constitution, its solid foundations, the practical aspects of its features, and its wisdom and order. The closing words of his statement, however, were reserved for use here; for in his 1789 remarks, he recognized the "ageless" quality of the magnificent document, and at the same time, issued a grave warning for Americans of all centuries. He concluded his statement with these words:

"...and its defenses are impregnable from without. It has been reared for immortality, if the work of man may justly aspire to such a title. It may, nevertheless, perish in an hour by the folly, or corruption, or negligence of its only keepers, THE PEOPLE. Republics are created by virtue, public spirit, and intelligence of the citizens."

Our ageless constitution can be shared with the world and passed on to generations far distant if its formula is not altered in violation of principle through the neglect of its keepers - THE PEOPLE.


Our Ageless Constitution, W. David Stedman & La Vaughn G. Lewis, Editors (Asheboro, NC, W. David Stedman Associates, 1987) Part VII:  ISBN 0-937047-01-5

5 posted on 02/10/2011 11:10:04 AM PST by loveliberty2
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Of course the constitution MUST be interpreted. It has to be!

When the lying scum of the earth lawyers (redundant on so many levels) become such brilliant USSC judges they have to interpret it through the eyes of co-conspirators with congress.

If we had honest USSC judges and not 100% political biased black robed demigods there would be no need for interpretation. It means what it says and there are even some nice little amendments which basically say “If it is not in there it is not in there”

When we start getting 9-0 or worse case 8-1 decisions I'll feel much more comfortable that the USSC is ruling based directly upon the Constitution and not politically biased interpreted case law crapola.

6 posted on 02/10/2011 11:12:14 AM PST by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: SeekAndFind

IMNSHO the Constitution doesn’t need to be interpreted. It means exactly what it says.


8 posted on 02/10/2011 11:37:58 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine (I'm shocked! Shocked to find out that gambling is going on in here!)
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“What happens if a number of states pass similar resolutions? What if these states simply refuse to cooperate with the federal government in enforcing such a requirement or even use state police power to openly defy federal enforcement? Is nullification constitutional?”

Sounds like gobbly gook to me.

If the author had read thru the Constitution all the way to Art V, he might have read that the ultimate power does indeed reside with “a number of states” (in this case 38).

This amount getting together can do anything, i.e. - ursurp all laws passed by Congress, overrule all executive orders and even go against Supreme Court rulings.

That Article is exactly what the forefathers meant when they placed it there, and is pretty simple to understand.


9 posted on 02/10/2011 11:38:18 AM PST by bestintxas (Somewhere in Kenya, a Village is missing its Idiot.)
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When Congress passes a law, it is constitutional. This approach sounds scary but it is not.

It is actually quite frightening given the track record of Congress and comments by demorats and obamamao. When a law is challenged in court, the onus should be on the government to show that the law is necessary and proper to execute an enumerated power (Art I Section 8) and that it does not violate the Natural Rights of the people retained by the Ninth Amendment.

These unenumerated Natural Rights are equal with those spelled out in the Constitution and deserve equal consideration by the Courts.

11 posted on 02/10/2011 11:38:31 AM PST by Jacquerie (Love my country, despise my federal government.)
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To: SeekAndFind

WE,THE PEOPLE, ARE.

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in men but bind them down from mischief with the chains of the Constitution.” Thomas Jefferson

“Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; if it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it.” — Judge Learned Hand, 1944

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bRvFzxqlUY


12 posted on 02/10/2011 11:49:38 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: SeekAndFind

We are the Guardians.
The Politicians are just the fungus that grows when the fields are not tilled often enough.
That is also why we have guns, baseball bats, pitchforks and the ballot.


13 posted on 02/10/2011 11:53:17 AM PST by jongaltsr (It)
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We have had a succession of Presidents who come up with work-arounds for formal Constitutional declarations of war. This ranges from police actions to UN resolutions. The result is a nation not united in war. And the outcome is we don’t win the war. So much for the Constitution.


14 posted on 02/10/2011 12:10:32 PM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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Although the federal government can, in no possible view, be considered as a party to a compact made anterior to its existence, and by which it was, in fact, created; yet as the creature of that compact, it must be bound by it, to its creators, the several states in the union, and the citizens thereof. Having no existence but under the constitution, nor any rights, but such as that instrument confers; and those very rights being in fact duties; it can possess no legitimate power, but such, as is absolutely necessary for the performance of a duty, prescribed and enjoined by the constitution.

excerpted from:

BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE, TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS, OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES; AND OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. IN FIVE VOLUMES. WITH AN APPENDIX TO EACH VOLUME, CONTAINING SHORT TRACTS UPON SUCH SUBJECTS AS APPEARED NECESSARY TO FORM A CONNECTED VIEW OF THE LAWS OF VIRGINIA, AS A MEMBER OF THE FEDERAL UNION. BY ST. GEORGE TUCKER, PROFESSOR OF LAW, IN THE UNIVERSITY OF WILLIAM AND MARY, AND ONE OF THE JUDGES OF THE GENERAL COURT IN VIRGINIA. PHILADELPHIA: PUBLISHED BY WILLIAM YOUNG BIRCH, AND ABRAHAM SMALL, NO. 17, SOUTH SECOND-STREET. ROBERT CARR, PRINTER. 1803.

15 posted on 02/10/2011 12:15:18 PM PST by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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A state should be able to interpose itself between the Federal Government and an individual. The Executive and the Legislative branches are our representatives. They are beholden to we the people. As I recall my history, the Supreme court took over the duty of interpreting the Constitution. It was not one of its original duties.


16 posted on 02/10/2011 12:17:43 PM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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Prior to the Constitution, the U.S. legal system was based upon British Common Law, in which laws meant whatever judges said they meant. If the Founders intended for their new government to subscribe to the principle that laws mean whatever judges said they mean, there would be no need to have a Constitution which is available for anyone to read.

If the Constitution of the United States is the Supreme Law of the Land, any legitimate law passed by Congress will indeed be Constitutional, since any statute which isn't Constitutional won't be a legitimate law. Likewise, the Constitution will say whatever any legitimate judicial ruling says it means, because any judicial ruling which is inconsistent with the Constitution will be illegitimate.

Unfortunately, many people have lost sight of some important cause-effect relationships. If Congress passes an unconstitutional statute and a court strikes it down, the fact that the statute is unconstitutional is not a result of the court decision striking it down. Rather, it was the fact that the statute was unconstitutional which compelled the court to strike it down; even if the court were to illegitimately declare that the act was constitutional, that would not make it so.

21 posted on 02/10/2011 3:39:44 PM PST by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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The real guardians of our liberties are us. Americans are independent thinking and each true American is capable of leading.
How Should We Interpret the Constitution? As it was written. It is written in simple English that anyone can understand.
Unfortunately the average liberal, democrat or progressive only speaks fluent moron and the Constitution is nor written in moron.


23 posted on 02/10/2011 6:41:36 PM PST by BuffaloJack (Re-Elect President Sarah Palin 2016)
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Excellent article reminds me of what was argued in the Federalist paper , and is the very definition of what nullification is.

Just one caveat. State officers also take the oath to uphold and defend the constitution that oath makes them as much as the Federal officers responsible to intercede to protect the people from theses intrusions.

To trust the Constitution into the hands of the Federal employees in black-robes is utter madness. It is not remotely the system of our forefathers.


24 posted on 02/11/2011 1:08:20 AM PST by Monorprise
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